Kell,
   
  Avante 
  Paper is not spooled.  Each ballot receipt is cut and a separate piece of 
  paper in the printer ballot box.  They made a point of making this part 
  of their presentation that I attended.  They said to be wary of Sequoia 
  or any other vender that spools paper because you may be able to figure out 
  which ballot goes with which person if combined with a time stamp or video of 
  the polling place. 
   
  It is not 
  ink it is a thermal print which is flimsy but no ink involved.  
  
   
  I agree 
  with the systems currently on the table Avente is the best but it is still sup 
  standard to our goal of a full printed ballot that is then optically scanned 
  for the tally.
   
  Alan 
  Crandall
   
  
  Paul,
   
  You're sorta right: Avanti is the only vender who showed us an already 
  operating and functioning voter verifiable paper ballot.  But it falls 
  short in a few important respects:
   
  1) Paper is spooled -- meaning any handcount would be extremely 
  problematic because each separate ballot would have to be cut/separated 
  from ajoining ballots.
   
  2) Paper is about as flimsy as the cheap toilet paper used in gas 
  station bathrooms, meaning it won't handle much handling by hand 
  counters.
   
  3) Ink deteriorates rather rapidly (either due to the paper type or the 
  ink or both).
   
  4) What it prints out isn't the complete context of the ballot, only what 
  you voted for or against.  That is, it just says "County Issue For" 
  and "Sherriff Jones" w/o the other options in context.
   
  5) The print is so dang small you have to have a magnifying glass to read 
  it.  Not a terrible thing, since Avanti actually supplies a magnifying 
  glass.  But imagine several hundred hand counters with several hundred 
  magnifying glasses.  Do-able but, really, can't we do better?
   
  6) As long as Colorado disallows recounts by any method other than the 
  the original tabulation method, the Avanti spooled paper ballot is 
  utter useless -- except maybe ass (pardon the pun) toilet paper.
   
  kell  
Paul Tiger 
  <tigerp@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  It 
    appears to me that Avante has the upper hand. They do produce a 
    paper
ballot, and it can be the primary ballot method. Their system puts 
    a 2D
(blocked bar code) at the top of each ballot, and that can be read 
    by any
scanner, not just theirs. They can also be hand counted, because 
    they print
out the voters selection.
Avante is the only vendor 
    that can do this without modifications to their
system. Everyone else 
    would have to re-write software and add on new
hardware.
Paul 
    Tiger
  
  
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