RE: alice madden's bill on evoting (fwd)

["Pete Klammer" <pklammer@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think it should be carrot and stick: here is what needs to be changed for
our support, and here is the opposition we will raise if you don't.

As it is written in first (introduced) draft, the Madden-Hillman bill does
more harm than good, since it wounds the vampire without putting a stake
through its heart.

As long as DRE is in the driver's seat, and "paper records" are kept in the
closet (except in rare recount circumstances), we remain vulnerable to all
kinds of electronic mischief -- accidental or deliberate.

--
Pete Klammer / ACM(1970), IEEE, ICCP(CCP), NSPE(PE), NACSE(NSNE)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evan Daniel Ravitz [mailto:evan@xxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:32 PM
> To: Al Kolwicz
> Cc: Citizens for Verifiable Voting; Pete Klammer
> Subject: RE: alice madden's bill on evoting (fwd)
> 
> 
> 
> Don't you think we should propose language to Rep. Madden?
> 
> If necessary, can we propose and vote on language by email?
> 
> Evan
> 
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Al Kolwicz wrote:
> 
> >
> > Evan,
> >
> > I'm not speaking for CVV, but I know that both Coloradoans 
> for Voting
> > Integrity and CAMBER agree that the topics of the bill are 
> very important
> > and must be dealt with this session.  However, they both 
> find that the
> > solution proposed does not achieve the intended objective.
> >
> > The bill proposes to provide voters a verifiable ballot by 
> requiring vendors
> > of DRE's to print an audit trail, in addition to the 
> digital ballot recorded
> > in the DRE memory.  An audit trail does not give voters a 
> verifiable ballot.
> > In fact, two ballots per voter (one verified but not 
> counted, and one
> > unverified and counted) makes things worse than they are now.
> >
> > What we require is the only ballot must be a full-ballot-text voter
> > verifiable paper ballot, and (2) only the voter verified 
> paper ballot may be
> > counted or recounted.
> >
> > Al
> >
> > ------------------------
> > Al Kolwicz
> > CAMBER - Citizens for Accurate Mail Ballot Election Results
> > 2867 Tincup Circle    Boulder, CO 80305
> > 303-494-1540
> > AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx
> > www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Evan Daniel Ravitz [mailto:evan@xxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:40 PM
> > To: bcv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: alice madden's bill on evoting (fwd)
> >
> >
> > What is BCV's position on HB 1296?  -Evan
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:53:10 -0700
> > From: J.B. Holston <jbh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: evan@xxxxxxxx
> > Subject: alice madden's bill on evoting
> >
> > Hi Evan; are you folks supporting her bill (HB 1296) ?  I noted your
> > comments on the weblog.  Have you given her specific 
> amendment language that
> > you'd prefer?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > J.B. Holston
> >
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