Re: Possible Denver Post Ad

["dougrcurtis" <dougrcurtis@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Not to worry guys, I'm just going to get some pricing. It's not like I'm off
on some crazed election fraud stopping jihad. And I've had enough of my
ideas get poopoo'ed over the course of my lifetime to not get my feathers
ruffled over it. I have no reservations about putting forth an idea and
having it shot down. Ego should be thrown out the window when trying to
solve a problem.

That said, I do have another idea that I would like to bounce around which
comes
way out of left field - just like me, by the way. What if, and this is a BIG
what if............we somehow convinced Donnetta to let us (CFVI), various
election officials, the machine makers, and so forth choose a few random
precincts on election day (sometime between 7 am. and 7 pm.??) to cast on a
DRE a certain amount of votes (say 100 votes), witnessed and hand tallied by
all the aforementioned stakeholders which would be later discounted from the
final tally after a comparison is made. The first question that comes to
mind: Is there sequential labeling information as to when a vote is cast on
the machine. If there is, then it would be easy to discount our "real time"
test votes from the final tally and perhaps a conclusion could be made from
this exercise.

See, I told you it was an extreme idea, but I figured since I had your
attention........I do realize that we still need a voter verified paper
audit trail but if this test was done at a completely random time, at a half
dozen locations, we might be able to prove malfeasance.

Doug

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Possible Denver Post Ad


> I am receiving conflicting messages from several national experts on the
> wisdom of advocating absentee ballots.  I need us to get our message
> straight before we advocate any course of action through an advertisement.
> I agree the timing may be best for now, but as anyone in marketing (which
I
> do) will tell you is that it takes repeated exposure to get this across.
We
> may need to pick the best time to reach the most people for an ad to have
> impact, and if people have already discarded their mail-in or absentee
> ballot, they can always ask for another one if our ad reaches them after
> they've tossed it.
>
> As to our status:  we are yet to become a non-profit, but work is
> progressing on this.  We cannot refer to ourselves as this yet, but we can
> ask about whether there are any discounts available and figure out how
> quickly we can mobilize our incorporation as such.
>
>
> >From: "dougrcurtis" <dougrcurtis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: "dougrcurtis" <dougrcurtis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: "Raich, Peter C." <Peter.Raich@xxxxxxxx>,"Robert Mcgrath"
> ><mcgrath_mcnally@xxxxxxx>,<TresCeeA@xxxxxxx>,<jcc@xxxxxxxxx>
> >CC:
>
><AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx>,<Edermarth@xxxxxxx>,<BobRobertPaulson@xxxxxxxxx>,<lau
rieannb@xxxxxxx>,<cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,<davide475@xxxxxxxx>,<SDeLe
o@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,<cindy@xxxxxxx>,<ellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,<evan@v
ote.org>,<therebis1475@xxxxxxxxxxx>,<pklammer@xxxxxxx>,<cary.lacklen@xxxxxxx
o.us>,<lynnlandes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,<ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,<michelle.mulder@
mail.house.gov>,<charlesmyrta@xxxxxxxx>,<ralphs@xxxxxxxxx>,<bthack@xxxxxxxxx
et>,<summerstorm03@xxxxxxxxxxx>,<donna@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,<jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx>,<
mlambie@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: Re: Possible Denver Post Ad
> >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:11:07 -0600
> >
> >Peter,
> >
> >You're right about the dates. What I meant to write down was Sunday June
> >27th for the first ad. But as others have responded (and if this sort of
> >newspaper ad is feasible at all), the time to put it in the paper would
be
> >now. Apparently, if a voter sends in an application and receives a
absentee
> >ballot, it can be hand delivered to one of the various branch offices
> >around
> >town as late as 7:00 pm. on election night. But after calling the
Arapahoe
> >County election board today, I was told that they are being flooded with
> >app's and having trouble with turn around time on sending out the
ballots.
> >I
> >suppose if the ad created even more chaos for the county mailing centers,
> >we
> >could grind the election to a screeching halt. Hmmm, that would be one
way
> >to get the point across!
> >
> >To Bob: I am still going to talk with Jenny Lerfald at the Post on
Monday,
> >just to get more info and pricing - no commitments will be made. I plan
on
> >emailing her the ad today. After talking with Sam yesterday, we were
> >thinking of getting the ad placed just before, or after the editorial
page.
> >Sam also said that he gets a company discount. It can't hurt to get some
> >hard numbers on getting an ad placed exactly where it would have the best
> >effect. From the last conversation that I had with Jenny at the Post, I
> >told
> >her that we were a non-profit. Should I stick with that? What are your
> >thoughts?
> >
> >Also, how did the "Under the Dome" meeting go? That sounded like a great
> >opportunity. Sorry I couldn't make it. I had an appointment that couldn't
> >be
> >broken.
> >
> >Doug
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Raich, Peter C." <Peter.Raich@xxxxxxxx>
> >To: "Robert Mcgrath" <mcgrath_mcnally@xxxxxxx>;
<dougrcurtis@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
> ><TresCeeA@xxxxxxx>; <jcc@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Cc: <AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx>; <Edermarth@xxxxxxx>;
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> ><mlambie@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:25 AM
> >Subject: RE: Possible Denver Post Ad
> >
> >
> >Would be a great way to get more people's attention.  I assume the dates
> >are
> >reversed.  Since people are applying now for absentee ballots, the first
> >add
> >would need to go out NOW.
> >Unfortunately, the expense is essentially prohibitive to us, unless
> >somebody
> >has some great connections!
> >Next best, will be to try to get the media to run our PSAs free (once we
> >are
> >incorporated), but the coverage is uncertain (i.e., radio or TV stations
> >running PSAs at 2 AM).
> >Something the Media Committee could address.
> >
> >Peter
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Mcgrath [SMTP:mcgrath_mcnally@xxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:01 PM
> > > To: dougrcurtis@xxxxxxxxxxx; TresCeeA@xxxxxxx; jcc@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Cc: AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx; Edermarth@xxxxxxx;
BobRobertPaulson@xxxxxxxxx;
> >laurieannb@xxxxxxx; cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; davide475@xxxxxxxx;
> >SDeLeo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; cindy@xxxxxxx; ellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> >evan@xxxxxxxx; therebis1475@xxxxxxxxxxx; pklammer@xxxxxxx;
> >cary.lacklen@xxxxxxxxxxx; lynnlandes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> >ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> >michelle.mulder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; charlesmyrta@xxxxxxxx; ralphs@xxxxxxxxx;
> >bthack@xxxxxxxxxxx; summerstorm03@xxxxxxxxxxx; donna@xxxxxxxxxxxx;
> >jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx; mlambie@xxxxxxxxx; Raich, Peter C.
> > > Subject: RE: Possible Denver Post Ad
> > >
> > > This is the kind of creative thinking that is helpful for us to
> >consider.
> >I
> > > need to figure out if there is a different paper ballot we can direct
> >people
> > > to obtain that would still be able to utilize this ad campaign, or
> >whether
> > > we can get some sort of ruling on how to force the counting of
absentee
> > > ballots so we could go with your first idea here....
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "dougrcurtis" <dougrcurtis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Reply-To: "dougrcurtis" <dougrcurtis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >To: "Robert Mcgrath" <mcgrath_mcnally@xxxxxxx>,<TresCeeA@xxxxxxx>
> > > >CC:
> > >
> >
><AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx>,<Edermarth@xxxxxxx>,<BobRobertPaulson@xxxxxxxxx>,<lau
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> > > >Subject: Possible Denver Post Ad
> > > >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:06:46 -0600
> > > >
> > > >Bob and group:
> > > >After reading your "CFVI Advice to CO Voters" email, I thought that I
> >had
> > > >come up with a good idea for an ad campaign.  But upon reading the
Bev
> > > >Harris editorial, I'm not so sure. But please read on and give me
your
> > > >opinion.
> > > >
> > > >What about this as a way to reach Colorado voters: a quarter page
> > > >add that would advocate absentee voting, running for two Sundays in
the
> > > >Denver Post. The first add to be put in Sunday September 27th, in
order
> >to
> > > >"wet the whistle" and get readers to talk about it at the water
cooler,
> >and
> > > >the second add to be placed Sunday July 11th, to drive the point
home.
> > > >(The reason for the early ad postings would be to provide voters
enough
> > > >time
> > > >to send in their applications and receive their absentee ballots.)
> > > >
> > > >I was thinking the ad should be a bit provocative:
> > > >
> > > >IT'S NOT WHO VOTES THAT COUNTS. IT'S WHO COUNTS THE VOTES!
> > > >
> > > >Are you willing to trust your vote to be counted by handful of
> > > >corporations?
> > > >80% of the electronic voting machines used in this country today have
> >been
> > > >provided by three manufacturers with strong political agenda's.
> >Electronic
> > > >voting machines provide no legitimate paper trail and the
corporations
> >who
> > > >produce these machines will not reveal their computer source codes.
We
> >must
> > > >vote with Absentee Ballots to insure that there is a reliable record
of
> >our>
> > > >vote.Order your application for a Absentee Ballot from your county
> > > >elections
> > > >office today!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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