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RE: serial numbers, revisited



The key point I see is, "will the law and the Constitution be enforced?"
 
Even if we agree for the sake of this argument that "ballot markings is the minutia," the issue worth arguing for is the very mechanism of establishment and protection of a trustworthy election system: even if we describe it, and prescribe it, and define penalties for flouting it, if in the end the implementors do whatever they wish without consequences, what hope can there ever be?
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From: Some Guy [mailto:someguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:19 AM
To: cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: kellen carey
Subject: RE: serial numbers, revisited

Kell (et al),

 

I am not clear how it matters that there are serial numbers. Yes, I believe that someone could track back a ballot, but it would take a good deal of work and timing. And someone would need a good reason to try.

Motive; opportunity; and access. The triad of white collar crime.

 

Perhaps someone will be able to figure out an automated method and exploit it, but what would be the purpose?

 

I think that Article VII, Section 8 clearly states that these markings are unconstitutional. That has not been argued in court and needs to be.

 

There are other issues at hand that are far more important than if one person can create a situation where they can track down how one other person voted.

This entire issue of ballot marking is a smoke screen. It is misdirection away from real issues. Issues pertaining to what goes on inside the tallying computers; issues about hardware and software. Issues of the secrecy of the process; not the secrecy of the voter.

 

Of course some have an issue over secrecy of the voter, but as most people know, I don’t have this issue. I don’t care how individuals voted and I don’t care who knows how I voted.

 

This project to deal with ballot markings is the minutia. We know it is wrong and it needs lawyers and courts to solve.

 

Much greater problems exist that need attention to uncover, or redesign. I beg of you all to cease wasting your time on voter secrecy and pay greater attention to the things that are being hidden in the smoke and mirrors.

 

Some Guy

 

-----Original Message-----
From: kellen carey [mailto:kcarey636@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 5:17 PM
To: Verifiablevoting Citizens
Subject: Re: serial numbers, revisited

 

The issue is less how easy the serial numbers are to read now than the precedent it sets for abuse in the future.

 

Kell

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