RE: voter intent and NOTA

["Paul Tiger - LPBC - Outreach" <outreach@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Makes sense. You're right, I overlooked this.

I wonder if Doug is listening in. got him cc'd now. Doug lives in Louisville
and they had the most insane ballot in the county in 04. The fire board
recall and election. If I recall there were two seats recalled and three
candidates for the vacated seats. I never saw the Louisville ballots, so I
don't know how they were set up.

Eva & Doug,
Could NOTA have been used in the fire board races?

paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Klammer [mailto:pklammer@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:57 PM
To: outreach@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'CVV'
Cc: 'Jim Burrus'
Subject: RE: voter intent and NOTA

I think you may have missed the point: two seat to fill, two choices may be
made.

By selecting one name and NOTA, it seems to me the voter really meant, "One
of the above only, and no vote for any second choice."

But if "NOTA" means "None Of the Above," must it be legally interpreted to
invalidate the single choice that the voter DID make?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tiger - LPBC - Outreach [mailto:outreach@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:19 PM
> To: CVV
> Cc: Jim Burrus
> Subject: RE: voter intent and NOTA
>
> The vote is NOTA. If a voter screws up they can ask for a new
> ballot. Under
> state law they can try three times with new ballots, after
> that we figure
> that they are either Joe or Al or Neal. <{;^)
>
> The scanners can see a vote for NOTA and register it accordingly by
> bypassing the race in the tally. However, this is a good
> point and legally I
> would bet that we would still have to determine voter intent.
> Thus jamming
> up the works.
>
> One of the things that Dick Lyons pointed out during the ERC
> presentation
> was that state law requires that voter intent must be
> ascertained when paper
> ballots are used. This could be something to address at the
> legislature next
> session. Paper ballots are being discriminated against. We
> didn't have to do
> this with punch cards, and it was the law before HAVA for
> paper ballots.
>
> We should find it interesting that this law is still in
> place, while most
> elections advocates are pushing for paper. Obviously,
> whomsoever created
> this legislation was pushing DRE or punch cards. Counties
> with paper had to
> suss out voter intent and cost them more time. However, we
> could do like
> Denver in 03 and just ignore the law. They ignored several
> laws, but their
> election was certified long before ours was. Wonder where
> Donetta lives?
>
> paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul E Condon [mailto:pecondon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:07 AM
> To: cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: voter intent and NOTA
>
> Suppose the city has NOTA on the ballot, there are two open seats, and
> a voter puts a X by one candidate name and an X by NOTA. What
> then? Who
> decides what to do with such a ballot? What _should_ be done with such
> a ballot?
>
> Just wondering...
>
>



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