RE: RFP Evaluation Team NDA

["Delta" <delta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Perception is what it's all about....

any normal human being would think what you said was a pure and simple
threat.....go read it again
Maybe you didn't want it to sound that way, but it does.

Take responsibility for yourself, man.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evan Daniel Ravitz [mailto:evan@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:28 AM
> To: Ralph Shnelvar
> Cc: CVV Voting; Scotty Allen
> Subject: Re: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
>
>
>
> Thanks for the support, Ralph. Here's what I wrote Joe:
>
> Joe,
>
> You misunderstand. The make my day law says you can defend yourself in
> your home, even with force disproportionate to the offense. I have no
> weapons.
>
> It's Libertarians who are big on the 2nd Ammendment. I was trying to
> intimidate the intimidating. With electrons.
>
> One problem with this neo-culture is that few people really know each
> other and email increases the pseudo-contact.
>
> I decided not to reply because I do want Bo to shut up. I really don't
> care if he thinks I'm crazier than Al.
>
> Evan
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Ralph Shnelvar wrote:
>
> > Although I am not certain, I'm pretty sure that Evan was poking
> fun at the
> > Libertarian (and my) support for the "make my day" law.
> >
> > The idea that Evan would use deadly force on any human being is
> extremely
> > funny.
> >
> > Ralph Shnelvar
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:22:37 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Scotty's right. Violence and its intimation is abhorrent and
> >> completely unacceptable and can't be condoned in any way, even as
> >> some kind of jest. I'm sure others are concerned as well. It's one
> >> thing to disagree with words, but I'm a firm believer in non-
> >> violence. I think it's extremely unfortunate that this entire
> >> discussion occurred.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 14, 2006, at 7:12 PM, Scotty Allen wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow.  What a quick descent into thinly veiled death threats (for those
> >>> others of you who, like me, didn't know what the 'make my day' law is,
> >>> see
> >>> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/13/1068674285957.html?
> >>> from=storyrhs).
> >>>
> >>> You all are a bunch of really scary individuals.
> >>>
> >>> Seeing as I don't see a need to fill my inbox with lots of male
> >>> postering and threats, I'll take this as my cue to unsubscribe from
> >>> the
> >>> list.
> >>>
> >>> -Scotty
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 16:04 -0700, Evan Daniel Ravitz wrote:
> >>>> Bo:
> >>>>
> >>>> Until today this list has been pretty friendly in spite of
> >>>> differences.
> >>>>
> >>>> YOU are the difference today. I advise to straighten up and fly
> >>>> right.
> >>>> If you think Al's "crazy" keep it to your ugly self.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've been on many email lists for 15 years and watched people like
> >>>> you
> >>>> destroy many of them. I intend to stop that, one way or another.
> >>>>
> >>>> You want to express your ugly self? Come over to my place and say
> >>>> your
> >>>> ugly shit in person like a man. And remember Colorado's "make my day"
> >>>> law...
> >>>>
> >>>> Evan Ravitz
> >>>> 1130 11th St. #3
> >>>> Boulder CO 80302
> >>>> (303)440-6838
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Delta wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Open Government is fine to a point......
> >>>>> Annoyance government is counter-productive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Again, if someone doesn't think *exactly* like you then they are
> >>>>> worthless,
> >>>>> eh, Joe?
> >>>>> If they don't do what *you* think they should do, then they are
> >>>>> sellouts?
> >>>>> Bite me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Read my email.....
> >>>>> I said PITAs will get very little co-operation......I didn't say
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> shouldn't exist.
> >>>>> Stop putting YOUR words into MY mouth.
> >>>>> That sucks and I think that much less of you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Libertarian philosophy is NOT necessarily ACLU philosophy.....not
> >>>>> by a long
> >>>>> shot.
> >>>>> Get over it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *I'm* on the Committee because I want to see the right things
> >>>>> done....not
> >>>>> stir up everything for the hell of it and my own aggrandizement.
> >>>>> You're welcome to discuss issues and if they are relevant. I'll
> >>>>> bring them
> >>>>> up to the committee as a whole.
> >>>>> But being a PITA will make me that much less interested in what
> >>>>> you have to
> >>>>> say.....right or wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> that's the way the world works.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bo
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:11 AM
> >>>>>> To: CVV Voting
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think there's another corollary which is kiss up to the
> >>>>>> incompetent
> >>>>>> clerk's office too much and you lose all your credibility.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe he wanted to see it to see what the panel members signed away
> >>>>>> without uttering a peep.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would have thought that the Libertarians were as concerned about
> >>>>>> open governance as the ACLU, but I guess not.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Seems like there no end to the "selling out" of the people going on
> >>>>>> in politics these days.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'll bet old King George found all the original American
> >>>>>> Patriots to
> >>>>>> be pains in the ass, too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Joe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mar 14, 2006, at 3:51 AM, Delta wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is an axiom in public service/government:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The bigger a pain in the ass you are....the less co-operation you
> >>>>>>> will get.
> >>>>>>> whether you're right or wrong.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There's also a little corollary:
> >>>>>>> Rub elbows with PITAs and you will be considered a PITA, too.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think Neal is seeing ramifications from Crazy Al's actions....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course, Neal isn't helping any....why is it necessary to see
> >>>>>>> these
> >>>>>>> non-disclosure documents? what the hell do they have to do with
> >>>>>>> choosing
> >>>>>>> election equipment????
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Not that I don't agree with the Open Meeting laws.....but I see
> >>>>>>> them abused
> >>>>>>> too many times.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Like now.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Everybody in CVV wants to have their two cents counted.....and for
> >>>>>>> what??
> >>>>>>> for crissakes, the county is only considering RENTING these things
> >>>>>>> for one
> >>>>>>> election.....and we have ONE choice.....how much affect could
> >>>>>>> ANYone have on
> >>>>>>> this decision??? And it's entirely temporary!! How much *more*
> >>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>> you know
> >>>>>>> about this system if you use it once? and don't hand me that
> >>>>>>> conspiracy to
> >>>>>>> defraud the voter crap. EVERYONE involved wants a fair election.
> >>>>>>> It's just a
> >>>>>>> matter of what can make it easier without compromising integrity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you people would give just a friggin iota...and let this
> >>>>>>> process
> >>>>>>> continue
> >>>>>>> with *minimal* interference.....you could concentrate your
> >>>>>>> resources AND the
> >>>>>>> favors you curry....on the REAL DEAL.....when the County chooses a
> >>>>>>> system to
> >>>>>>> BUY.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> but, nooooo.......
> >>>>>>> Lets play like big shots and demand everything we can to show
> >>>>>>> we have
> >>>>>>> power.....because we can.
> >>>>>>> THAT's why democracy is a very bad form of government. (A quote
> >>>>>>> form the
> >>>>>>> great Roman Statesman, Seneca)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bo Shaffer
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: Some Guy [mailto:someguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:34 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: CVV Voting
> >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm thinking that you could have asked one of the members of the
> >>>>>>>> committee
> >>>>>>>> what they had agreed to do or signed and they might have shown
> >>>>>>>> you. Showing
> >>>>>>>> you the agreement divulges nothing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Members of this list have signed this document.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> SG
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:12 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: CVV Voting
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Neal McBurnett wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The team members also have already signed a confidentiality
> >>>>>>>>> agreement
> >>>>>>>>> of some sort.  (That will be modified now that they are using
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> open
> >>>>>>>>> meetings procedures.)  I asked Liss for a copy, and he
> >>>>>>>>> suggested I'd
> >>>>>>>>> need to do an open records request for that.  Amazing - secrecy
> >>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>> the secrecy agreements!  It is so infectious it gets
> >>>>>>>>> downright silly
> >>>>>>>>> if you can retain your sense of humor.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I got your open records request right here:
> >>>>>>>>
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