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RE: Help needed in Longmont - Swiss voting system.



That’s nice. You forget that I was there.

 

These ballots are at the printers now. Wednesday was the last date to be on the ballot. If there is going to be ballot counting it is going to be on the ballots that the county printed and used.

 

This election takes place on the 29th of January. Time is short. We work with what we have.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Peter or Alison Richards [mailto:aprichards@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:51 AM
To: paul.tiger@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx; jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx; neal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Help needed in Longmont - Swiss voting system.

 

Date:  Sat. 29 December 2007

 

Paul...

 

What Al is talking about below, in terms of ballot format,  is how the Swiss have voted for many years...

 

Joe Pezillo and I have lots of actual Swiss ballot samples, which Al is describing below.  They are from the Swiss gentleman who

visited Boulder a few years ago.

 

You may remember the Swiss gentleman who gave a public talk about the Swiss voting system at the Boulder Public Library,

which Joe and I organized.  His name was Beat Fehr,  the talk was on Monday, 3 January 2005.

 

He was also interviewed on KGNU by Sam Fuqua for 30 minutes on Weds. 5 Jan. 2005.

 

I believe the library talk was the front page story in the Daily Camera the next day, but the Camera website does not find it...

from I can find right now.

 

John Caldara also wrote a column about the talk, in the Camera, which he attended...

 

The key to the Swiss ballot is that it is sized to be used in the currency counting machines, which all banks use to count paper bills.

 

Each contest is on one unique piece of paper, you separate out the votes for A, B and C in the contest, and run them through the

currency counter, and total the votes for each candidate.

 

I will be happy to share some of these samples with you to show around...

 

Peter Richards

Boulder

 

 

 

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:10:18 -0700 "Al Kolwicz" <alkolwicz@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

Paul,

 

One suggestion.  For the fastest and most verifiable hand count, use a ballot that has one contest per page, and then use the sort and count method to count the votes.  Each CONTEST should be a different color or corner cut.  Make separate stacks for each CONTESTANT, and OVER, UNDER, and AMBIGUOUS votes for each contest.

 

If you have only one contest, you have it made.

 

If your clerk decides to use the HART scanners anyway, demand increased auditing.  Demand a 100% hand count as the only way to verify the count made by the uncertified equipment.

 

Al

 

 

Al Kolwicz

Colorado Voter Group

2867 Tincup Circle

Boulder, CO 80305

303-494-1540

AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx

www.AlKolwicz.net

www.coloradovotergroup.blogspot.com

 

 

 

 

From: Paul Tiger [mailto:paul.tiger@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:52 PM
To: CVV
Subject: Help needed in Longmont

 

Greetings Fellow Star Gazers,

I've not spoken interactively here in some time. Many of you know that this is truly a public forum, monitored by press and county officials. I apologize in advance for any grandstanding or hip-hop moves I may make in order to achieve the goal of a non machine election in Longmont.

At the end of January there will be a replacement election for a council member. It appears that there are three candidates. Though this will be a city wide mail ballot election, it is likely to produce a low ballot return rate.
As an election it is a perfect candidate for a hand count.

The timing for proponents of hand counts is excellent as well. The state SoS has decertified Boulder's ballot scan systems. Clerk Hall may be able to show legal presidents and authority to use the Hart/InterCivic Ballot Now system. She may even get Mike Coffman to waive her use. I don't argue these possibilities. Whatever arguments Clerks Hall and Skitt provide may be perfectly correct. That does not negate a hand count. A hand count is always a choice. But its a better choice just at this moment in time.

There are members of council who see a hand count as a viable option. I was interviewed by the Times Call and quoted (rather odd selection) in today's paper.

If you are a proponent of hand counts (especially if you live in Longmont) please write to the council with your support. Also the Times-Call should hear from supporters. Their addresses below.

I am seeking help from people familiar with hand counting procedures. We can make a presentation to council while Clerk Hall is present. I believe this will be next Thursday.

Roger Lange <roger_lange@xxxxxxxxx> Mayor
Brian Hansen <council_hansen@xxxxxxxxxxx> Ward I
Sarah Levison <sarah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> At-Large
Karen Benker <karenbenkerlg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Ward II
Sean McCoy <seanmccoylcc@xxxxx> Ward III
Mary Blue <marykblue@xxxxxxx> At-Large

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