RE: Another Tactic? Absentee ballots

["Paul Tiger" <tigerp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

So we can talk about counting by hand - not a DRE issue, but we can't talk
about absentee? Absentee is always going to take place.

You'd better spend some time reading elections laws before you decide that
you can go off in whatever direction suits you.

Yeah this is about DRE. If you want to spend more time discussing this, lets
get it off this list and stop bothering people with it.

FOCUS

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Shnelvar [mailto:ralphs@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:50 PM
To: paul.tiger@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Another Tactic? Absentee ballots

Dear Paul:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:03:13 -0700, you wrote:

>Ralph,
>
>You snipped off part of my reply. I said that people should hand carry
their
>ballots back in because we can't trust the USPS.
>Ballots that were sent long before the election are still arriving at the
>clerk's office. Voters are saying that they sent ballots as long as ten
days
>before the elections and the clerk is just getting them, or still hasn't
>seen them.
>
>The BIGGEST breakdown in mail ballot elections is the postal service.
>Absentee balloting is the same as mail-in balloting.

Paul, this is neither the time nor the place to debate mail-in/walk-in
balloting.  We're fighting the DRE problem now.

The biggest problem with mail-in ballots and/or walk-in ballots is the lack
of security both outbound and inbound.  The USPS is merely one problem among
many.

>
>Paul Tiger

Ralph Shnelvar

>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ralph Shnelvar [mailto:ralphs@xxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 4:40 AM
>To: paul.tiger@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: Another Tactic? Absentee ballots
>
>On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:23:02 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>PT> I like this idea, if we could make it work in a voting population as
>>PT>large as Boulder County's. You might be able to pull this off in a
>>PT>smaller county. In areas east of midwest counties and townships are
>>PT>rather small and twisting the arms of the clerks is easier to do with
>>PT>such a protest.
>
>This is my first posting here.
>
>Paul Tiger and I - both Libertarians - often take opposing views.
>Unsurprisingly, this is going to happen again.
>
>[snip]
>
>>
>>paul tiger
>>
>>Mcgrath, Bob___PI_Mkt wrote:
>>
>[snip]
>
>>>
>>>One idea posted there was to urge all voters to obtain absentee ballots
to
>>>bypass the machines.  Thoughts?
>
>I suggest that people read Sunny Maynard's (Green Party) and my article in
>the Sunday Denver Post:
>        www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~75~1734196,00.html
>
>The last thing that we need is to promote mail-in balloting.  While
>electronic voting offers high-tech opportunities for fraud, mail-in
>balloting offers both high-tech and low-tech opportunities for fraud.
>
>Ralph Shnelvar
>