RE: thermal papers

["Paul Tiger" <tigerp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't have an opinion about this. Except that thermal would cut the costs
on supplies for the clerks. The major problem with thermal that everyone is
whining about is curled paper. Hard to store.

Paul Tiger

-----Original Message-----
From: Mcgrath, Bob___PI_Mkt [mailto:bob.mcgrath@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:07 AM
To: 'paul.tiger@xxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: letter to the editor, 11/11

We'd certainly like a cut at that business!  Perhaps we should be talking to
Avante and other manufacturers about the benefits of our thermal printers,
which   can be configured to print out many different sizes of paper,
including pre-formatted cut-sheet, fan-fold perforated sheet, or continuous
roll.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Tiger [mailto:tigerp@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:16 PM
To: Boulder Computer Voting
Subject: Re: letter to the editor, 11/11


and will easily last the 22 months that is required for storage.

Bob, the one reason that people here want thicker stock and wider paper
is so that it is readable and more easily handled. Some people want the
paper to look like the absentee ballot style so it can be opto-scanned
and still be human readable for re-counts
I don't think that any of that is necessary.

What is necessary is that we have a VOTER VERIFIABLE PAPER BALLOT.
Avante is the only system on the list of the eight that were reviewed
that can and does produce this without software or hardware modification.

paul

Mcgrath, Bob___PI_kt wrote:

> I work for a manufacturer of thermal paper and thermal printers
> (Pentax) so I know the ink is burned and won't smudge or degrade over
> time.  It is how they can print so many over time and not need to
> replace ink cartridges or ribbons on a printer, and it usually is
> water resistant and tolerant to extreme temperatures.
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* Alan Crandall [mailto:ipix@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>     *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:56 AM
>     *To:* kellen carey
>     *Cc:* Boulder Computer Voting
>     *Subject:* RE: letter to the editor, 11/11
>
>     Kell,
>
>     Avante Paper is not spooled.  Each ballot receipt is cut and a
>     separate piece of paper in the printer ballot box.  They made a
>     point of making this part of their presentation that I attended.
>     They said to be wary of Sequoia or any other vender that spools
>     paper because you may be able to figure out which ballot goes with
>     which person if combined with a time stamp or video of the polling
>     place.
>
>     It is not ink it is a thermal print which is flimsy but no ink
>     involved.
>
>     I agree with the systems currently on the table Avente is the best
>     but it is still sup standard to our goal of a full printed ballot
>     that is then optically scanned for the tally.
>
>     Alan Crandall
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* kellen carey [mailto:kcarey636@xxxxxxxxx]
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:37 PM
>     *To:* BCV
>     *Subject:* RE: letter to the editor, 11/11
>
>     Paul,
>
>     You're sorta right: Avanti is the only vender who showed us an
>     already operating and functioning voter verifiable paper ballot.
>     But it falls short in a few important respects:
>
>     1) Paper is spooled -- meaning any handcount would be extremely
>     problematic because each separate ballot would have to be
>     cut/separated from ajoining ballots.
>
>     2) Paper is about as flimsy as the cheap toilet paper used in gas
>     station bathrooms, meaning it won't handle much handling by hand
>     counters.
>
>     3) Ink deteriorates rather rapidly (either due to the paper type
>     or the ink or both).
>
>     4) What it prints out isn't the complete context of the ballot,
>     only what you voted for or against.  That is, it just says "County
>     Issue For" and "Sherriff Jones" w/o the other options in context.
>
>     5) The print is so dang small you have to have a magnifying glass
>     to read it.  Not a terrible thing, since Avanti actually supplies
>     a magnifying glass.  But imagine several hundred hand counters
>     with several hundred magnifying glasses.  Do-able but, really,
>     can't we do better?
>
>     6) As long as Colorado disallows recounts by any method other than
>     the the original tabulation method, the Avanti spooled paper
>     ballot is utter useless -- except maybe ass (pardon the pun)
>     toilet paper.
>
>     kell
>
>     */Paul Tiger <tigerp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:
>
>         It appears to me that Avante has the upper hand. They do
>         produce a paper
>         ballot, and it can be the primary ballot method. Their system
>         puts a 2D
>         (blocked bar code) at the top of each ballot, and that can be
>         read by any
>         scanner, not just theirs. They can also be hand counted,
>         because they print
>         out the voters selection.
>
>         Avante is the only vendor that can do this without
>         modifications to their
>         system. Everyone else would have to re-write software and add
>         on new
>         hardware.
>
>         Paul Tiger
>
>
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