Re: recounts in Colorado (under present law) -- The definition of insanity

[Evan Daniel Ravitz <evan@xxxxxxxx>]

Bo, if you'd actually read what I've said at least twice in this
forum, I favor hand-counting as a temporary measure until a computer
system can be made to satisfy techies and voters. ALL the software
which has counted votes since the '70s IS secret.

I'm not a luddite. I started programming computers in 1968 and did it
professionally until 1983. Calling people names who you don't know and
don't even read just makes you look stupid.

Evan

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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, LPBC Chairman wrote:

> Evan,
> Errors are errors.
> Secret ones and conspiracies and all are a bit paranoid.
> Stop being a Luddite.
> Technology can give us the ability to be error free as well as fraud proof..
> We have to mold it to our purposes, not let it take over our process.
> This *is* possible.
> Just because something has been done for a long time is not a good reason to
> continue it. In fact, it's probably a good reason to *not* continue it. This
> is a dynamic world we live in and everything has to adapt. To not change is
> to stagnate and die.
>
> Bo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Evan Daniel Ravitz" <evan@xxxxxxxx>
> To: "LPBC Chairman" <chairman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "Paul Tiger" <Paul.Tiger@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "BCV" <bcv@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
> "William Crook" <slayer@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: recounts in Colorado (under present law) -- The definition of
> insanity
>
>
> >
> > Bo, Canada (20-something million people) and Britain both hand-count
> > ballots. It's been done for hundreds of years. The journey of 1000
> > miles begins with a single step, counting a million starts with one.
> > It's "scalable". I'm sure it's more error prone than computer
> > counting, but with the proper measures, those are honest errors
> > instead of secret ones which can never be discovered now.
> >
> > Evan
> >
> > On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, LPBC Chairman wrote:
> >
> > > Evan....
> > >
> > > Hand counting???
> > > a hundred thousand ballots???
> > > (in Boulder County alone....)
> > > And you think *that* would be more accurate???
> > > Maybe someday you should volunteer at the Clerks office and see what it
> > > takes to just open and sort ballots by hand......let alone count them.
> You
> > > would be amazed at the errors people make.
> > >
> > > We need to come up with a way to make technology work.
> > >
> > > Bo
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul Tiger" <tigerp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "Evan Daniel Ravitz" <evan@xxxxxxxx>; <paul.tiger@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: "BCV" <bcv@xxxxxxxxxxx>; "William Crook" <slayer@xxxxxxxxx>; "Bo
> > > Shaffer" <bo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 6:46 PM
> > > Subject: RE: recounts in Colorado (under present law) -- The definition
> of
> > > insanity
> > >
> > >
> > > > No, Ben Franklin actually. Go do your homework.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Evan Daniel Ravitz [mailto:evan@xxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:18 PM
> > > > To: paul.tiger@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Cc: BCV; William Crook; Bo Shaffer
> > > > Subject: Re: recounts in Colorado (under present law) -- The
> definition of
> > > > insanity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Paul Tiger wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over
> and
> > > > > expecting different results." -- Benjamin Franklin
> > > >
> > > > Einstein, actually. State law mandates recounts by the same method as
> > > > the original count. That's why I support hand-counting until the State
> > > > law is changed; public-source software isn't as good as hand-counting,
> > > > but much better than secret software used over and over.
> > > >
> > > > Evan
> > > >
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> > > > Evan Ravitz     303 440 6838     evan@xxxxxxxx
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> > > >
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