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RE: alice madden's bill on evoting
Yes, in the way I explained below...
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Pete Klammer wrote:
> And section 4 of Madden rewrites 1-10.5-108, right?
>
> --
> Pete Klammer / ACM(1970), IEEE, ICCP(CCP), NSPE(PE), NACSE(NSNE)
> 3200 Routt Street / Wheat Ridge, Colorado 80033-5452
> (303)233-9485 / Fax:(303)274-6182 / Mailto:PKlammer@xxxxxxx
> Idealism may not win every contest, but that's not what I choose it for!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Evan Daniel Ravitz [mailto:evan@xxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:34 PM
> > To: pklammer@xxxxxxx
> > Cc: 'Al Kolwicz'; 'Citizens for Verifiable Voting'
> > Subject: RE: alice madden's bill on evoting (fwd)
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's the text of HB 1296:
> >
> > http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics2004a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/2B10
> > 87A3259B4C8287256DF8005CBB75?open&file=1296_01.pdf
> >
> > It requires that computer recounts be preceeded by testing the program
> > against hand-counts of 50 ballots from a random precinct.
> >
> > By the way, here is the Colorado law on recounts:
> >
> > Colorado Revised Statute
> >
> > 1-10.5-108. Method of recount.
> > Statute text
> > (1) The recount shall be of the ballots cast, and the votes shall be
> > recorded on sheets other than those used at the election.
> >
> > (2) Unless otherwise directed by the secretary of state, the ballots
> > cast shall be recounted utilizing the same procedures, methods, and
> > processes that were utilized for the original count of the ballots
> > cast.
> >
> > History
> > Source: L. 99: Entire article added with relocations, p. 487, 13,
> > effective July 1. L. 2001: Entire section amended, p. 301, 4,
> > effective August 8.
> >
> > Annotations
> > Editor's note: This section was formerly numbered as 1-10-306.
> >
> >
> > Evan
> >
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> >
> > On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Pete Klammer wrote:
> >
> > > I think it should be carrot and stick: here is what needs
> > to be changed for
> > > our support, and here is the opposition we will raise if you don't.
> > >
> > > As it is written in first (introduced) draft, the
> > Madden-Hillman bill does
> > > more harm than good, since it wounds the vampire without
> > putting a stake
> > > through its heart.
> > >
> > > As long as DRE is in the driver's seat, and "paper records"
> > are kept in the
> > > closet (except in rare recount circumstances), we remain
> > vulnerable to all
> > > kinds of electronic mischief -- accidental or deliberate.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Pete Klammer / ACM(1970), IEEE, ICCP(CCP), NSPE(PE), NACSE(NSNE)
> > > 3200 Routt Street / Wheat Ridge, Colorado 80033-5452
> > > (303)233-9485 / Fax:(303)274-6182 / Mailto:PKlammer@xxxxxxx
> > > Idealism may not win every contest, but that's not what I
> > choose it for!
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Evan Daniel Ravitz [mailto:evan@xxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:32 PM
> > > > To: Al Kolwicz
> > > > Cc: Citizens for Verifiable Voting; Pete Klammer
> > > > Subject: RE: alice madden's bill on evoting (fwd)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't you think we should propose language to Rep. Madden?
> > > >
> > > > If necessary, can we propose and vote on language by email?
> > > >
> > > > Evan
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Al Kolwicz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Evan,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not speaking for CVV, but I know that both Coloradoans
> > > > for Voting
> > > > > Integrity and CAMBER agree that the topics of the bill are
> > > > very important
> > > > > and must be dealt with this session. However, they both
> > > > find that the
> > > > > solution proposed does not achieve the intended objective.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bill proposes to provide voters a verifiable ballot by
> > > > requiring vendors
> > > > > of DRE's to print an audit trail, in addition to the
> > > > digital ballot recorded
> > > > > in the DRE memory. An audit trail does not give voters a
> > > > verifiable ballot.
> > > > > In fact, two ballots per voter (one verified but not
> > > > counted, and one
> > > > > unverified and counted) makes things worse than they are now.
> > > > >
> > > > > What we require is the only ballot must be a
> > full-ballot-text voter
> > > > > verifiable paper ballot, and (2) only the voter verified
> > > > paper ballot may be
> > > > > counted or recounted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Al
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > Al Kolwicz
> > > > > CAMBER - Citizens for Accurate Mail Ballot Election Results
> > > > > 2867 Tincup Circle Boulder, CO 80305
> > > > > 303-494-1540
> > > > > AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Evan Daniel Ravitz [mailto:evan@xxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:40 PM
> > > > > To: bcv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: alice madden's bill on evoting (fwd)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is BCV's position on HB 1296? -Evan
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:53:10 -0700
> > > > > From: J.B. Holston <jbh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: evan@xxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: alice madden's bill on evoting
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Evan; are you folks supporting her bill (HB 1296) ?
> > I noted your
> > > > > comments on the weblog. Have you given her specific
> > > > amendment language that
> > > > > you'd prefer?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
> > > > > J.B. Holston
> > > > >
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