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RE: alice madden's bill on evoting
Folks,
I must amend what I said last week, below. Madden's bill DOES mandate
hand recounts for LOCAL elections, but continues to allow electronic
recounts for congressional, state and district elections, merely
adding another meaningless "test" of the software, as I mentioned
below. Any programmer can make a system pass a test and cheat on the
real deal.
Evan
Here's the text of HB 1296:
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics2004a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/2B1087A3259B4C8287256DF8005CBB75?open&file=1296_01.pdf
It requires that computer recounts be preceeded by testing the program
against hand-counts of 50 ballots from a random precinct.
By the way, here is the Colorado law on recounts:
Colorado Revised Statute
1-10.5-108. Method of recount.
Statute text
(1) The recount shall be of the ballots cast, and the votes shall be
recorded on sheets other than those used at the election.
(2) Unless otherwise directed by the secretary of state, the ballots
cast shall be recounted utilizing the same procedures, methods, and
processes that were utilized for the original count of the ballots
cast.
History
Source: L. 99: Entire article added with relocations, p. 487, 13,
effective July 1. L. 2001: Entire section amended, p. 301, 4,
effective August 8.
Annotations
Editor's note: This section was formerly numbered as 1-10-306.
Evan
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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Pete Klammer wrote:
> I think it should be carrot and stick: here is what needs to be changed for
> our support, and here is the opposition we will raise if you don't.
>
> As it is written in first (introduced) draft, the Madden-Hillman bill does
> more harm than good, since it wounds the vampire without putting a stake
> through its heart.
>
> As long as DRE is in the driver's seat, and "paper records" are kept in the
> closet (except in rare recount circumstances), we remain vulnerable to all
> kinds of electronic mischief -- accidental or deliberate.
>
> --
> Pete Klammer / ACM(1970), IEEE, ICCP(CCP), NSPE(PE), NACSE(NSNE)
> 3200 Routt Street / Wheat Ridge, Colorado 80033-5452
> (303)233-9485 / Fax:(303)274-6182 / Mailto:PKlammer@xxxxxxx
> Idealism may not win every contest, but that's not what I choose it for!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Evan Daniel Ravitz [mailto:evan@xxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:32 PM
> > To: Al Kolwicz
> > Cc: Citizens for Verifiable Voting; Pete Klammer
> > Subject: RE: alice madden's bill on evoting (fwd)
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't you think we should propose language to Rep. Madden?
> >
> > If necessary, can we propose and vote on language by email?
> >
> > Evan
> >
> > On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Al Kolwicz wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Evan,
> > >
> > > I'm not speaking for CVV, but I know that both Coloradoans
> > for Voting
> > > Integrity and CAMBER agree that the topics of the bill are
> > very important
> > > and must be dealt with this session. However, they both
> > find that the
> > > solution proposed does not achieve the intended objective.
> > >
> > > The bill proposes to provide voters a verifiable ballot by
> > requiring vendors
> > > of DRE's to print an audit trail, in addition to the
> > digital ballot recorded
> > > in the DRE memory. An audit trail does not give voters a
> > verifiable ballot.
> > > In fact, two ballots per voter (one verified but not
> > counted, and one
> > > unverified and counted) makes things worse than they are now.
> > >
> > > What we require is the only ballot must be a full-ballot-text voter
> > > verifiable paper ballot, and (2) only the voter verified
> > paper ballot may be
> > > counted or recounted.
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > > ------------------------
> > > Al Kolwicz
> > > CAMBER - Citizens for Accurate Mail Ballot Election Results
> > > 2867 Tincup Circle Boulder, CO 80305
> > > 303-494-1540
> > > AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx
> > > www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Evan Daniel Ravitz [mailto:evan@xxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:40 PM
> > > To: bcv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: alice madden's bill on evoting (fwd)
> > >
> > >
> > > What is BCV's position on HB 1296? -Evan
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:53:10 -0700
> > > From: J.B. Holston <jbh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: evan@xxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: alice madden's bill on evoting
> > >
> > > Hi Evan; are you folks supporting her bill (HB 1296) ? I noted your
> > > comments on the weblog. Have you given her specific
> > amendment language that
> > > you'd prefer?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > J.B. Holston
> > >
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