PleaseRemoveFromEmail List: Re: Verified Voting is No Longer Pushing HR2239 & S.1980; Supporting All VVBills Equally

["Bollinger" <bolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

To Whom it may concern:

Could you please remove me from your email list (Citizens for verifiable voting), as there is too much traffic/email and I am not really active in the group.

If you had a monthly type of update or newsletter for CVV, then it would appeal to many more people, who would otherwise be flooded with too much email.

 

Thank-you very much for your most professional & valuable work.  It is comforting to know that so much good work is going on in the CVV group.

John "J"  Bollinger 

 bolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx

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From: Pete Klammer

To: 'Citizens for Verifiable Voting' ; 'Al Kolwicz' ; 'Carol Mehesy' ; 'Donna Plutschuck' ; 'Joe Pezzillo' ; 'Monty CFVI Lambie' ; 'Norm Beecher' ; 'Norman Beecher' ; 'Pete CVFI Klammer' ; 'Peter Raich' ; 'Kellen Carey' ; 'Sheila Horton'

Cc: 'David Dill'

Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:43 PM

Subject: FW: Verified Voting is No Longer Pushing HR2239 & S.1980; Supporting All VVBills Equally

Does this mean "paper ballots" is gaining traction over "anything is better than nothing" at VerifiedVoting.org?

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From: Cheryl Guttman [mailto:sguttman@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:36 PM
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@postini.com
Subject: Verified Voting is No Longer Pushing HR2239 & S.1980; Supporting All VVBills Equally

I just spoke with Will Doherty of VerifiedVoting.org--will@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --and verifiedvoting.org is now supporting all federal bills equally but gives a technical breakdown of the bills features (it's up to the beholder to understand what is good and not good).

 The problem is that most people will get confused--if they even look at the breakdown--and I and others will have a hard time convincing people that S.1980 and HR2239 is best. I used to say--go to verfiedvoting.org. Now I can only say, look at the breakdown it seems to me that these bills are best.

I just emailed my opinion about this to Will (and cc'd David Dill and pass2239): "Without your group, Moveon, True Majority, Common Cause , etc.(who rely on verified voting.org's expertise) telling their members what the best legislation is-- or what to ask their representatives to change the language of their bill to make it the best[a reference to 2313]-- the politicians will choose the bill of the most pushy or popular politician, rather than the best bill."

Here is a link to their new action page http://verifiedvoting.org/action/ 

It's not only that S.1980 and HR2239 are the best bills but they are the only way to have all states have verified voting and other crucial reforms by the election, unless Hillary gets rid of waiver provision or narrows language to just lever machines in 2313

They also took off the EFF links to the free faxes for HR2239 and S.1980 (which are good for lazy/busy people--Will said that he wasn't sure those links are still good  and that he thought EFF might change their strategy too but I just looked and they are still there.  Maybe EFF should be contacted as well to ask them not to take down these free faxes for the best bills http://action.eff.org/feedback.asp

 I know they VerifiedVoting.org does a lot of great stuff and they feel this is best somehow--I wonder if it's a fear of Hillary Clinton! (because of some other feedback I got from someone else)--but if you have feelings about this maybe you should let verifiedvoting.org know too.  They are supposed to make an official statement soon and maybe if enough people think it is a bad idea they will change their minds.

Thanks Cheryl

Thanks, Cheryl