RE: How can Neal say Boulder's election was accurate

[kellen carey <kcarey636@xxxxxxxxx>]

Evan,  

Do you know how many different races people typically
vote on in one election in other countries?  Most
(nearly all, if my comparative politics isn't too
dated) European countries don't vote on amendments,
initiatives, referendums, recalls, judges, etc. in
elections.  

Just a reminder: it took three election judges about
5+ hours to count only 597 ballots with only three
races in the Spring 2004 Nederland election.  There
were about 25-30 different contests in this Boulder
County 2004 election, with some 150,000+ voters.  I'll
let others do the math.

I'm certainly not saying we shouldn't handcount, given
the obvious transparency, verifiability, and accuracy
advantages.  

But it would be nice to hear a definitive answer on
this question from other countries.

kell

--- Evan Daniel Ravitz <evan@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Some Guy wrote:
> 
> > For the length of time that it took to count the
> vote, it could have been
> > done by hand in each precinct.
> 
> I believe countries that do it by hand do it in
> precincts -in hours,
> not days.
> 
> What we have is the kluge of kluges: Illegally
> tested (thanks for
> trying, Al) proprietary software running on Windows,
> intersecting
> with the vaguaries of printing, and the greatest
> motive in history:
> the Presidency.
> 
> If humans see imperfect boxes we have no problem
> compensating.
> 
> But instead of hand-counting which is cheaper
> ($1.82/vote in Canada
> compared to $3-6 here) more accurate (according to
> MIT/Caltech),
> done in public (poll watchers watching) with the $
> going to humans
> not software corps, we will get a very sophistocated
> expensive
> way of making the boxes better, kluged on top of the
> pile of shit
> we're now buying.
> 
> Poll watchers THINK they're watching now, but
> they're staring at
> "black boxes."
> 
> Evan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


		
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