Re: Recall Information for County Clerk

[Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Bob:

It would be more appropriate but also completely impossible (in my opinion).

People know that Boulder's election(s) was/were screwed up by Salas's
administration.  The rest of the state has no idea how badly Davidson
screwed up.

Ralph



On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:12:53 -0700, you wrote:

>Perhaps it may be more appropriate to consider a recall of Ms. Davidson for 
>failure to serve her duties?
>
>>From: "alkolwicz" <alkolwicz@xxxxxxxxx>
>>Reply-To: <AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: ralphs@xxxxxxxxx,  "'Cvv-Discuss@Coloradovoter. Net'" 
>><cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Subject: RE: Recall Information for County Clerk
>>Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:10:03 -0700
>>
>>Ralph,
>>
>>As you may recall, CAMBER babysat the election as a consultant to Travis.
>>Many legal and technical problems were reported to the recall election
>>officials and to the Secretary of State.
>>
>>As usual, nothing was done about the problems.  They were ignored in
>>Colorado's typical "cover up" fashion.
>>
>>Al Kolwicz
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ralph Shnelvar [mailto:ralphs@xxxxxxxxx]
>>Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:46 PM
>>To: Cvv-Discuss@Coloradovoter. Net
>>Subject: Re: Recall Information for County Clerk
>>
>>Dear Joe and all:
>>
>>I have many misgivings about a recall of Linda Salas.  Some of them are
>>political and some of them are just a matter of simple equity.
>>
>>Nonetheless, I _was_ heavily involved in another recall of another County
>>Clerk: the ever-lovable Tracy Baker, Araphaoe County Clerk.  I was the 
>>media
>>coordinator for the Libertarian candidate in that election: Travis Nicks.
>>
>>For those unfamiliar with the story, Tracy Baker was figuratively caught
>>with his pants down.  There are rumors that he was literally caught with 
>>his
>>pants down in the County Clerk's office with his girlfriend with the blinds
>>to his office open.
>>
>>Oh, the juicy scandal!  Salacious eMails.  Incompetence in office.  No bid
>>contracts.  Dog doodoo where the voting machines were stored.
>>
>>It makes your head spin.
>>
>>By comparison, Linda Salas's mismanagement is a tempest in a teapot.
>>
>>
>>
>>I don't know if the Arapahoe County procedures apply to Boulder ... but I
>>think they do.  So here is my recollection.
>>
>>It was the Arapahoe County Commissioners who selected the County Assessor 
>>to
>>be the election official that oversaw Mr. Baker's recall election.  I don't
>>know if this is Arapahoe County law or State Law that mandates this.
>>
>>In order to recall Tracy Baker, Arapahoe County residents needed to collect
>>34,603 valid signatures.
>>
>>There are about 278,000 residents of Boulder County and about 516,000
>>residents of Arapahoe County.  Assuming the same rules apply, to recall
>>Salas we'll need about 20,000 signatures.  That's a huge number and the
>>anger at Salas isn't nearly what it was in Arapahoe County against Baker.
>>
>>But this is Boulder and different political rules apply.
>>
>>
>>Just a heads-up.
>>
>>Ralph Shnelvar
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:12:38 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Mary-
>> >
>> >Thanks for your e-mail. I appreciate that not everyone thinks a recall
>> >is warranted at this time, and I am pursuing this as an individual, not
>> >on behalf of CVV (I hope that's already clear).
>> >
>> >Also, I am simply requesting the information at this time, not yet
>> >actually collecting any signatures. As I told one of the reporters who
>> >has called, I'd rather see Linda do the right thing to begin with
>> >(like, a year ago), but if she's not going to, then it will be up to
>> >the citizens to secure Trustworthy Elections for Boulder County, as
>> >they have repeatedly proven their ineptitude at doing so.
>> >
>> >The "first time" should have been before the Primary, and now it
>> >appears that what problems they encountered then were never resolved
>> >before heading into the General. Also, remember that when a citizen
>> >tried to test this system under real world conditions, that citizen was
>> >escorted from the Clerk's office by the Sheriff who then continued to
>> >investigate the citizen instead of spending any time looking for
>> >problems at the Elections Office.
>> >
>> >Also, I do not agree with the County position that no one should be
>> >held accountable, especially given the obvious nature of management's
>> >repeated failures (don't forget the uncertified equipment and total
>> >recount in November 2003, too).
>> >
>> >All that said, I'm curious about at what point would you agree with a
>> >recall, after they screw up the next election? Do you not see a pattern
>> >here already?
>> >
>> >Joe
>> >
>> >Joe Pezzillo, Citizen Activist
>> >Boulder, Colorado USA
>> >jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Nov 12, 2004, at 4:43 PM, Mary Eberle wrote:
>> >
>> >> Joe,
>> >>
>> >> I do not agree with this request. Let Ms. Salas and her staff finish
>> >> the vote counting and give us the results in peace.
>> >>
>> >> I do not think it is reasonable to have expected the system to work
>> >> smoothly the first time. There are too many variables. It is too bad
>> >> that we didn't get all the wake-up calls after the primary, but we
>> >> didn't, and nothing can be done about that now. Still, all the ballots
>> >> are being counted (so far as we can tell), although at a monetary cost
>> >> as well as a human-exhaustion cost.
>> >>
>> >> As I have stated, I think our first priority must be to change the
>> >> Colorado law concerning recount methods so that we can verify election
>> >> results. We need our county commissioners to make this their priority
>> >> as well, not a witch hunt. They need to form a coalition with other
>> >> county commissioners, and they will be less inclined to do so if we
>> >> bog down Boulder County politics with a recall.
>> >>
>> >> Mary Eberle
>> >> Election Judge, Boulder County
>> >>
>> >> Joe Pezzillo wrote:
>> >>> November 12th, 2004
>> >>> Attn: Boulder County Board of Commissioners, Boulder County Clerk
>> >>> From: Joe Pezzillo, Boulder city resident
>> >>> Due to her unwillingness to accept responsibility for the failure of
>> >>> the Boulder County Elections Office by voluntarily resigning or
>> >>> removing those staff members who have demonstrated incompetence,
>> >>> please provide me with information on how to begin the process of
>> >>> holding a recall election to remove the Boulder County Clerk.
>> >>> Regretfully,
>> >>> Joe Pezzillo
>> >>> PO Box J
>> >>> Boulder, Colorado USA 80306
>> >>> .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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