RE: Recall Information for County Clerk

["Paul Tiger - LPBC - Outreach" <LPBC-O@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I concur. And once again have to say that I am not in favor of such a use of
tax monies. Hugely wasteful and fairly mute. I very much doubt that Donetta
will run again, and if she did would not win.
Do we need to spend over a million bucks between now and 06 so we can spend
it again in 06 to recall the SoS?

Not with my money.

paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Mcgrath [mailto:mcgrath_mcnally@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:13 PM
To: AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx; ralphs@xxxxxxxxx; cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Recall Information for County Clerk

Perhaps it may be more appropriate to consider a recall of Ms. Davidson for
failure to serve her duties?

>From: "alkolwicz" <alkolwicz@xxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: <AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: ralphs@xxxxxxxxx,  "'Cvv-Discuss@Coloradovoter. Net'"
><cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: RE: Recall Information for County Clerk
>Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:10:03 -0700
>
>Ralph,
>
>As you may recall, CAMBER babysat the election as a consultant to Travis.
>Many legal and technical problems were reported to the recall election
>officials and to the Secretary of State.
>
>As usual, nothing was done about the problems.  They were ignored in
>Colorado's typical "cover up" fashion.
>
>Al Kolwicz
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ralph Shnelvar [mailto:ralphs@xxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:46 PM
>To: Cvv-Discuss@Coloradovoter. Net
>Subject: Re: Recall Information for County Clerk
>
>Dear Joe and all:
>
>I have many misgivings about a recall of Linda Salas.  Some of them are
>political and some of them are just a matter of simple equity.
>
>Nonetheless, I _was_ heavily involved in another recall of another County
>Clerk: the ever-lovable Tracy Baker, Araphaoe County Clerk.  I was the
>media
>coordinator for the Libertarian candidate in that election: Travis Nicks.
>
>For those unfamiliar with the story, Tracy Baker was figuratively caught
>with his pants down.  There are rumors that he was literally caught with
>his
>pants down in the County Clerk's office with his girlfriend with the blinds
>to his office open.
>
>Oh, the juicy scandal!  Salacious eMails.  Incompetence in office.  No bid
>contracts.  Dog doodoo where the voting machines were stored.
>
>It makes your head spin.
>
>By comparison, Linda Salas's mismanagement is a tempest in a teapot.
>
>
>
>I don't know if the Arapahoe County procedures apply to Boulder ... but I
>think they do.  So here is my recollection.
>
>It was the Arapahoe County Commissioners who selected the County Assessor
>to
>be the election official that oversaw Mr. Baker's recall election.  I don't
>know if this is Arapahoe County law or State Law that mandates this.
>
>In order to recall Tracy Baker, Arapahoe County residents needed to collect
>34,603 valid signatures.
>
>There are about 278,000 residents of Boulder County and about 516,000
>residents of Arapahoe County.  Assuming the same rules apply, to recall
>Salas we'll need about 20,000 signatures.  That's a huge number and the
>anger at Salas isn't nearly what it was in Arapahoe County against Baker.
>
>But this is Boulder and different political rules apply.
>
>
>Just a heads-up.
>
>Ralph Shnelvar
>
>
>
>On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:12:38 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >
> >Mary-
> >
> >Thanks for your e-mail. I appreciate that not everyone thinks a recall
> >is warranted at this time, and I am pursuing this as an individual, not
> >on behalf of CVV (I hope that's already clear).
> >
> >Also, I am simply requesting the information at this time, not yet
> >actually collecting any signatures. As I told one of the reporters who
> >has called, I'd rather see Linda do the right thing to begin with
> >(like, a year ago), but if she's not going to, then it will be up to
> >the citizens to secure Trustworthy Elections for Boulder County, as
> >they have repeatedly proven their ineptitude at doing so.
> >
> >The "first time" should have been before the Primary, and now it
> >appears that what problems they encountered then were never resolved
> >before heading into the General. Also, remember that when a citizen
> >tried to test this system under real world conditions, that citizen was
> >escorted from the Clerk's office by the Sheriff who then continued to
> >investigate the citizen instead of spending any time looking for
> >problems at the Elections Office.
> >
> >Also, I do not agree with the County position that no one should be
> >held accountable, especially given the obvious nature of management's
> >repeated failures (don't forget the uncertified equipment and total
> >recount in November 2003, too).
> >
> >All that said, I'm curious about at what point would you agree with a
> >recall, after they screw up the next election? Do you not see a pattern
> >here already?
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >Joe Pezzillo, Citizen Activist
> >Boulder, Colorado USA
> >jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Nov 12, 2004, at 4:43 PM, Mary Eberle wrote:
> >
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >> I do not agree with this request. Let Ms. Salas and her staff finish
> >> the vote counting and give us the results in peace.
> >>
> >> I do not think it is reasonable to have expected the system to work
> >> smoothly the first time. There are too many variables. It is too bad
> >> that we didn't get all the wake-up calls after the primary, but we
> >> didn't, and nothing can be done about that now. Still, all the ballots
> >> are being counted (so far as we can tell), although at a monetary cost
> >> as well as a human-exhaustion cost.
> >>
> >> As I have stated, I think our first priority must be to change the
> >> Colorado law concerning recount methods so that we can verify election
> >> results. We need our county commissioners to make this their priority
> >> as well, not a witch hunt. They need to form a coalition with other
> >> county commissioners, and they will be less inclined to do so if we
> >> bog down Boulder County politics with a recall.
> >>
> >> Mary Eberle
> >> Election Judge, Boulder County
> >>
> >> Joe Pezzillo wrote:
> >>> November 12th, 2004
> >>> Attn: Boulder County Board of Commissioners, Boulder County Clerk
> >>> From: Joe Pezzillo, Boulder city resident
> >>> Due to her unwillingness to accept responsibility for the failure of
> >>> the Boulder County Elections Office by voluntarily resigning or
> >>> removing those staff members who have demonstrated incompetence,
> >>> please provide me with information on how to begin the process of
> >>> holding a recall election to remove the Boulder County Clerk.
> >>> Regretfully,
> >>> Joe Pezzillo
> >>> PO Box J
> >>> Boulder, Colorado USA 80306
> >>> .
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>