RE: RFP Evaluation Team NDA

["Delta" <delta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Nothing was wrong with the discussion.

when it degenerates into physical threats, it is no longer a discussion.

I'm sorry to see anyone leave a list that interests them due to some member
who had a lapse of judgment.

Bo



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:23 PM
> To: Scotty Allen; CVV Voting
> Subject: Re: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
>
>
>
> Scotty's right. Violence and its intimation is abhorrent and
> completely unacceptable and can't be condoned in any way, even as
> some kind of jest. I'm sure others are concerned as well. It's one
> thing to disagree with words, but I'm a firm believer in non-
> violence. I think it's extremely unfortunate that this entire
> discussion occurred.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2006, at 7:12 PM, Scotty Allen wrote:
>
> > Wow.  What a quick descent into thinly veiled death threats (for those
> > others of you who, like me, didn't know what the 'make my day' law is,
> > see
> > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/13/1068674285957.html?
> > from=storyrhs).
> >
> > You all are a bunch of really scary individuals.
> >
> > Seeing as I don't see a need to fill my inbox with lots of male
> > postering and threats, I'll take this as my cue to unsubscribe from
> > the
> > list.
> >
> > -Scotty
> >
> > On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 16:04 -0700, Evan Daniel Ravitz wrote:
> >> Bo:
> >>
> >> Until today this list has been pretty friendly in spite of
> >> differences.
> >>
> >> YOU are the difference today. I advise to straighten up and fly
> >> right.
> >> If you think Al's "crazy" keep it to your ugly self.
> >>
> >> I've been on many email lists for 15 years and watched people like
> >> you
> >> destroy many of them. I intend to stop that, one way or another.
> >>
> >> You want to express your ugly self? Come over to my place and say
> >> your
> >> ugly shit in person like a man. And remember Colorado's "make my day"
> >> law...
> >>
> >> Evan Ravitz
> >> 1130 11th St. #3
> >> Boulder CO 80302
> >> (303)440-6838
> >>
> >> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Delta wrote:
> >>
> >>> Open Government is fine to a point......
> >>> Annoyance government is counter-productive.
> >>>
> >>> Again, if someone doesn't think *exactly* like you then they are
> >>> worthless,
> >>> eh, Joe?
> >>> If they don't do what *you* think they should do, then they are
> >>> sellouts?
> >>> Bite me.
> >>>
> >>> Read my email.....
> >>> I said PITAs will get very little co-operation......I didn't say
> >>> they
> >>> shouldn't exist.
> >>> Stop putting YOUR words into MY mouth.
> >>> That sucks and I think that much less of you.
> >>>
> >>> Libertarian philosophy is NOT necessarily ACLU philosophy.....not
> >>> by a long
> >>> shot.
> >>> Get over it.
> >>>
> >>> *I'm* on the Committee because I want to see the right things
> >>> done....not
> >>> stir up everything for the hell of it and my own aggrandizement.
> >>> You're welcome to discuss issues and if they are relevant. I'll
> >>> bring them
> >>> up to the committee as a whole.
> >>> But being a PITA will make me that much less interested in what
> >>> you have to
> >>> say.....right or wrong.
> >>>
> >>> that's the way the world works.....
> >>>
> >>> Bo
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:11 AM
> >>>> To: CVV Voting
> >>>> Subject: Re: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think there's another corollary which is kiss up to the
> >>>> incompetent
> >>>> clerk's office too much and you lose all your credibility.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe he wanted to see it to see what the panel members signed away
> >>>> without uttering a peep.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would have thought that the Libertarians were as concerned about
> >>>> open governance as the ACLU, but I guess not.
> >>>>
> >>>> Seems like there no end to the "selling out" of the people going on
> >>>> in politics these days.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll bet old King George found all the original American
> >>>> Patriots to
> >>>> be pains in the ass, too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 14, 2006, at 3:51 AM, Delta wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> There is an axiom in public service/government:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The bigger a pain in the ass you are....the less co-operation you
> >>>>> will get.
> >>>>> whether you're right or wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There's also a little corollary:
> >>>>> Rub elbows with PITAs and you will be considered a PITA, too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think Neal is seeing ramifications from Crazy Al's actions....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course, Neal isn't helping any....why is it necessary to see
> >>>>> these
> >>>>> non-disclosure documents? what the hell do they have to do with
> >>>>> choosing
> >>>>> election equipment????
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not that I don't agree with the Open Meeting laws.....but I see
> >>>>> them abused
> >>>>> too many times.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Like now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Everybody in CVV wants to have their two cents counted.....and for
> >>>>> what??
> >>>>> for crissakes, the county is only considering RENTING these things
> >>>>> for one
> >>>>> election.....and we have ONE choice.....how much affect could
> >>>>> ANYone have on
> >>>>> this decision??? And it's entirely temporary!! How much *more*
> >>>>> will
> >>>>> you know
> >>>>> about this system if you use it once? and don't hand me that
> >>>>> conspiracy to
> >>>>> defraud the voter crap. EVERYONE involved wants a fair election.
> >>>>> It's just a
> >>>>> matter of what can make it easier without compromising integrity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you people would give just a friggin iota...and let this
> >>>>> process
> >>>>> continue
> >>>>> with *minimal* interference.....you could concentrate your
> >>>>> resources AND the
> >>>>> favors you curry....on the REAL DEAL.....when the County chooses a
> >>>>> system to
> >>>>> BUY.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> but, nooooo.......
> >>>>> Lets play like big shots and demand everything we can to show
> >>>>> we have
> >>>>> power.....because we can.
> >>>>> THAT's why democracy is a very bad form of government. (A quote
> >>>>> form the
> >>>>> great Roman Statesman, Seneca)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bo Shaffer
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Some Guy [mailto:someguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:34 AM
> >>>>>> To: CVV Voting
> >>>>>> Subject: RE: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm thinking that you could have asked one of the members of the
> >>>>>> committee
> >>>>>> what they had agreed to do or signed and they might have shown
> >>>>>> you. Showing
> >>>>>> you the agreement divulges nothing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Members of this list have signed this document.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> SG
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:12 PM
> >>>>>> To: CVV Voting
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Neal McBurnett wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The team members also have already signed a confidentiality
> >>>>>>> agreement
> >>>>>>> of some sort.  (That will be modified now that they are using
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> open
> >>>>>>> meetings procedures.)  I asked Liss for a copy, and he
> >>>>>>> suggested I'd
> >>>>>>> need to do an open records request for that.  Amazing - secrecy
> >>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>> the secrecy agreements!  It is so infectious it gets
> >>>>>>> downright silly
> >>>>>>> if you can retain your sense of humor.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I got your open records request right here:
> >>>>>>
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