Re: RFP Evaluation Team NDA

[Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@xxxxxxxxx>]

Although I am not certain, I'm pretty sure that Evan was poking fun at the
Libertarian (and my) support for the "make my day" law.

The idea that Evan would use deadly force on any human being is extremely
funny.

Ralph Shnelvar


On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:22:37 -0700, you wrote:

>
>Scotty's right. Violence and its intimation is abhorrent and  
>completely unacceptable and can't be condoned in any way, even as  
>some kind of jest. I'm sure others are concerned as well. It's one  
>thing to disagree with words, but I'm a firm believer in non- 
>violence. I think it's extremely unfortunate that this entire  
>discussion occurred.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>On Mar 14, 2006, at 7:12 PM, Scotty Allen wrote:
>
>> Wow.  What a quick descent into thinly veiled death threats (for those
>> others of you who, like me, didn't know what the 'make my day' law is,
>> see
>> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/13/1068674285957.html? 
>> from=storyrhs).
>>
>> You all are a bunch of really scary individuals.
>>
>> Seeing as I don't see a need to fill my inbox with lots of male
>> postering and threats, I'll take this as my cue to unsubscribe from  
>> the
>> list.
>>
>> -Scotty
>>
>> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 16:04 -0700, Evan Daniel Ravitz wrote:
>>> Bo:
>>>
>>> Until today this list has been pretty friendly in spite of
>>> differences.
>>>
>>> YOU are the difference today. I advise to straighten up and fly  
>>> right.
>>> If you think Al's "crazy" keep it to your ugly self.
>>>
>>> I've been on many email lists for 15 years and watched people like  
>>> you
>>> destroy many of them. I intend to stop that, one way or another.
>>>
>>> You want to express your ugly self? Come over to my place and say  
>>> your
>>> ugly shit in person like a man. And remember Colorado's "make my day"
>>> law...
>>>
>>> Evan Ravitz
>>> 1130 11th St. #3
>>> Boulder CO 80302
>>> (303)440-6838
>>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Delta wrote:
>>>
>>>> Open Government is fine to a point......
>>>> Annoyance government is counter-productive.
>>>>
>>>> Again, if someone doesn't think *exactly* like you then they are  
>>>> worthless,
>>>> eh, Joe?
>>>> If they don't do what *you* think they should do, then they are  
>>>> sellouts?
>>>> Bite me.
>>>>
>>>> Read my email.....
>>>> I said PITAs will get very little co-operation......I didn't say  
>>>> they
>>>> shouldn't exist.
>>>> Stop putting YOUR words into MY mouth.
>>>> That sucks and I think that much less of you.
>>>>
>>>> Libertarian philosophy is NOT necessarily ACLU philosophy.....not  
>>>> by a long
>>>> shot.
>>>> Get over it.
>>>>
>>>> *I'm* on the Committee because I want to see the right things  
>>>> done....not
>>>> stir up everything for the hell of it and my own aggrandizement.
>>>> You're welcome to discuss issues and if they are relevant. I'll  
>>>> bring them
>>>> up to the committee as a whole.
>>>> But being a PITA will make me that much less interested in what  
>>>> you have to
>>>> say.....right or wrong.
>>>>
>>>> that's the way the world works.....
>>>>
>>>> Bo
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:11 AM
>>>>> To: CVV Voting
>>>>> Subject: Re: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there's another corollary which is kiss up to the  
>>>>> incompetent
>>>>> clerk's office too much and you lose all your credibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe he wanted to see it to see what the panel members signed away
>>>>> without uttering a peep.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have thought that the Libertarians were as concerned about
>>>>> open governance as the ACLU, but I guess not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like there no end to the "selling out" of the people going on
>>>>> in politics these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll bet old King George found all the original American  
>>>>> Patriots to
>>>>> be pains in the ass, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 14, 2006, at 3:51 AM, Delta wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is an axiom in public service/government:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bigger a pain in the ass you are....the less co-operation you
>>>>>> will get.
>>>>>> whether you're right or wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's also a little corollary:
>>>>>> Rub elbows with PITAs and you will be considered a PITA, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Neal is seeing ramifications from Crazy Al's actions....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, Neal isn't helping any....why is it necessary to see  
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> non-disclosure documents? what the hell do they have to do with
>>>>>> choosing
>>>>>> election equipment????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that I don't agree with the Open Meeting laws.....but I see
>>>>>> them abused
>>>>>> too many times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everybody in CVV wants to have their two cents counted.....and for
>>>>>> what??
>>>>>> for crissakes, the county is only considering RENTING these things
>>>>>> for one
>>>>>> election.....and we have ONE choice.....how much affect could
>>>>>> ANYone have on
>>>>>> this decision??? And it's entirely temporary!! How much *more*  
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> you know
>>>>>> about this system if you use it once? and don't hand me that
>>>>>> conspiracy to
>>>>>> defraud the voter crap. EVERYONE involved wants a fair election.
>>>>>> It's just a
>>>>>> matter of what can make it easier without compromising integrity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you people would give just a friggin iota...and let this  
>>>>>> process
>>>>>> continue
>>>>>> with *minimal* interference.....you could concentrate your
>>>>>> resources AND the
>>>>>> favors you curry....on the REAL DEAL.....when the County chooses a
>>>>>> system to
>>>>>> BUY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but, nooooo.......
>>>>>> Lets play like big shots and demand everything we can to show  
>>>>>> we have
>>>>>> power.....because we can.
>>>>>> THAT's why democracy is a very bad form of government. (A quote
>>>>>> form the
>>>>>> great Roman Statesman, Seneca)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bo Shaffer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Some Guy [mailto:someguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:34 AM
>>>>>>> To: CVV Voting
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm thinking that you could have asked one of the members of the
>>>>>>> committee
>>>>>>> what they had agreed to do or signed and they might have shown
>>>>>>> you. Showing
>>>>>>> you the agreement divulges nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Members of this list have signed this document.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:12 PM
>>>>>>> To: CVV Voting
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Neal McBurnett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The team members also have already signed a confidentiality
>>>>>>>> agreement
>>>>>>>> of some sort.  (That will be modified now that they are using  
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>> meetings procedures.)  I asked Liss for a copy, and he  
>>>>>>>> suggested I'd
>>>>>>>> need to do an open records request for that.  Amazing - secrecy
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> the secrecy agreements!  It is so infectious it gets  
>>>>>>>> downright silly
>>>>>>>> if you can retain your sense of humor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got your open records request right here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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