Re: RFP Evaluation Team NDA

[Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Joe:

As you know, not all the Libertarians agree with Mr. Shaffer.

I, for one, am on your side, Joe.  If anything, Joe, I am more on your side
than you are.

Ralph Shnelvar


On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:11:14 -0700, you wrote:

>
>I think there's another corollary which is kiss up to the incompetent  
>clerk's office too much and you lose all your credibility.
>
>Maybe he wanted to see it to see what the panel members signed away  
>without uttering a peep.
>
>I would have thought that the Libertarians were as concerned about  
>open governance as the ACLU, but I guess not.
>
>Seems like there no end to the "selling out" of the people going on  
>in politics these days.
>
>I'll bet old King George found all the original American Patriots to  
>be pains in the ass, too.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>On Mar 14, 2006, at 3:51 AM, Delta wrote:
>
>> There is an axiom in public service/government:
>>
>> The bigger a pain in the ass you are....the less co-operation you  
>> will get.
>> whether you're right or wrong.
>>
>> There's also a little corollary:
>> Rub elbows with PITAs and you will be considered a PITA, too.
>>
>> I think Neal is seeing ramifications from Crazy Al's actions....
>>
>> Of course, Neal isn't helping any....why is it necessary to see these
>> non-disclosure documents? what the hell do they have to do with  
>> choosing
>> election equipment????
>>
>> Not that I don't agree with the Open Meeting laws.....but I see  
>> them abused
>> too many times.
>>
>> Like now.
>>
>> Everybody in CVV wants to have their two cents counted.....and for  
>> what??
>> for crissakes, the county is only considering RENTING these things  
>> for one
>> election.....and we have ONE choice.....how much affect could  
>> ANYone have on
>> this decision??? And it's entirely temporary!! How much *more* will  
>> you know
>> about this system if you use it once? and don't hand me that  
>> conspiracy to
>> defraud the voter crap. EVERYONE involved wants a fair election.  
>> It's just a
>> matter of what can make it easier without compromising integrity.
>>
>> If you people would give just a friggin iota...and let this process  
>> continue
>> with *minimal* interference.....you could concentrate your  
>> resources AND the
>> favors you curry....on the REAL DEAL.....when the County chooses a  
>> system to
>> BUY.
>>
>> but, nooooo.......
>> Lets play like big shots and demand everything we can to show we have
>> power.....because we can.
>> THAT's why democracy is a very bad form of government. (A quote  
>> form the
>> great Roman Statesman, Seneca)
>>
>> Bo Shaffer
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Some Guy [mailto:someguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:34 AM
>>> To: CVV Voting
>>> Subject: RE: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm thinking that you could have asked one of the members of the  
>>> committee
>>> what they had agreed to do or signed and they might have shown
>>> you. Showing
>>> you the agreement divulges nothing.
>>>
>>> Members of this list have signed this document.
>>>
>>> SG
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:12 PM
>>> To: CVV Voting
>>> Subject: Re: RFP Evaluation Team NDA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Neal McBurnett wrote:
>>>
>>>> The team members also have already signed a confidentiality  
>>>> agreement
>>>> of some sort.  (That will be modified now that they are using the  
>>>> open
>>>> meetings procedures.)  I asked Liss for a copy, and he suggested I'd
>>>> need to do an open records request for that.  Amazing - secrecy  
>>>> about
>>>> the secrecy agreements!  It is so infectious it gets downright silly
>>>> if you can retain your sense of humor.
>>>
>>>
>>> I got your open records request right here:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>