RE: Did Linda Salas Lie to Boulder County?

["Delta" <delta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

just for the record....did anybody ever follow up on the Tarrant county
problem with the Hart machines??
Remember how this was brought up a couple of times by several CVV members??
Anybody?

(well, *some* people did.....and some bothered to get the straight poop, not
some misconception.)

funny...never heard it mentioned here.

turns out it was all human error.

Just for the record.....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liss, Josh [mailto:jliss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:35 PM
> To: Joe Pezzillo
> Cc: CVV Voting; Bailey, Shelley; Salas, Linda
> Subject: RE: Did Linda Salas Lie to Boulder County?
>
>
> oh brother.  Believe whatever you want, Joe.
>
> I want to make it very clear that in this conversation I am
> disagreeing with you and your specific statements, not with the
> beliefs or statements of any other members of the CVV.  I am not
> casting any dispersions on the CVV as a whole, nor any of its members.
>
> I am not in any way attempting to "usurp" the good will and
> credibility of the CVV.  The CVV, along with all other
> citizen-based interest groups play an important role in our
> society and in the formation of the policies of our government.
> That is why I subscribe to the CVV email list.  I am interested
> in hearing the opinions of citizens who want to be involved in
> the elections process.
>
> What I grow increasingly tired of is the regular postings by you
> filled with speculation, innuendo, half-truths or
> misrepresentations with little or no factual basis constantly
> aimed at smearing the integrity of the dedicated men and women
> who work very hard to conduct the elections in this county.
> These people work far too hard in ensuring the integrity of the
> elections process in this county and they do not deserve to be
> constantly attacked by you for doing their jobs.  I'm sure there
> are members of CVV who do not agree with every opinion you offer
> up as "fact".
>
> The "complaint" you refer to is false.  The organization was not
> excluded.  The Evaluation Team was falsely accused of not
> containing representation from the CVV.  Documentation was
> provided which proved the accusation to be false.  If you choose
> to label these facts with some dark conspiracy theory, so be it.
>
> Logic?
>
> Just because you personally were not asked to be a member of the
> evaluation team, that does not mean that the CVV was not
> represented.  Are you the ONLY person who is allowed to speak as
> a member of CVV?  I heard this same kind of "logic" back in grade
> school.  Someone would say, "I wasn't invited to the party, so
> the people at the party must not be cool."
>
> I respectfully disagree with your "logic", and I'm done with this
> conversation.
>
> Have a nice weekend!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:09 PM
> To: Liss, Josh
> Cc: CVV Voting; Bailey, Shelley; Salas, Linda
> Subject: Re: Did Linda Salas Lie to Boulder County?
>
>
>
> "No formal written invitation was sent to any of the Evaluation Team
> members"
>
> Then what did the ACLU decline?
>
> CVV was not invited to participate, and you misleadingly added CVV to
> the roster and your statements only after a complaint was lodged that
> you had excluded the organization. Your attempt to usurp the good
> will and credibility of CVV is the grasping at straws.
>
> I'm glad to know you can add small integers, next we'll work on the
> logic.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> Joe Pezzillo
> PO Box J
> Boulder, CO 80306 USA
> jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx
> 303-938-8850
>
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2006, at 1:01 PM, Liss, Josh wrote:
>
> > This is getting old, Joe, and I think you are grasping at straws here.
> >
> > Bo Shaffer is a member of CVV.
> >
> > Bo Shaffer was on the RFP Evaluation Team.
> >
> > A member of CVV was on the Evaluation Team.
> >
> > 1 + 1 = 2
> >
> > No formal written invitation was sent to any of the Evaluation Team
> > members.  No fancy invitations.  No formal RSVPs.  I called each of
> > the members personally and asked them to participate.  Bo Shaffer
> > (a member of CVV) was INVITED to participate.  He chose to do so
> > and we are glad that he did.  His contributions to the Evaluation
> > Team were invaluable and we appreciate his participation.
> >
> > It would be a misrepresentation for anyone to imply that CVV was
> > not represented when, in fact:
> > 1. A member of CVV was on the Evaluation Team
> > 2. There were five separate opportunities during the evaluation
> > process for any member of the public to offer testimony, including
> > members of CVV.  Whether they declared their membership or not,
> > members of CVV did testify (yourself included).
> > 3. We received and reviewed several written submissions from
> > members of the public (including members of CVV) during the
> > drafting of the RFP.
> > 4. We received and reviewed several written submissions from
> > members of the public (including members of CVV) during the
> > evaluation process.
> > 5. Several members of CVV offered testimony during yesterday's
> > public hearing.
> >
> > If you disagree with Bo, that is between you and Bo.  But it is a
> > misrepresentation on your part to imply that CVV was not
> > represented when IT IS A FACT that a member of CVV was on the
> > Evaluation Team.
> >
> > If you are a member of a political party, but you do not agree with
> > every part of your party's platform, does that disqualify you as a
> > member of that party?  Of course not.  We all have the right to
> > agree to disagree.  That is one of the great things about this
> > country.  Are you trying to say that if a member of CVV disagrees
> > with another member of CVV, that person should not still be
> > considered a member?
> >
> > I think it is you who are making misrepresentations when you imply
> > that Linda Salas lied yesterday when you know she did not.
> >
> > I'm sure we could go back and forth about this for days/weeks/
> > months, but I have other work that I need to do.  At this point I
> > doubt that any amount of factual information I give you will change
> > your mind or keep you from continuing to make misrepresentations or
> > false innuendo about the Evaluation Team or the Clerk's Office so I
> > think it would be wise for us both to agree to disagree.  After
> > all, that is our right.
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Josh Liss
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:50 AM
> > To: Liss, Josh; CVV Voting
> > Cc: Bailey, Shelley; Salas, Linda
> > Subject: Re: Did Linda Salas Lie to Boulder County?
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not disputing that members gave testimony, or ultimately if Bo is
> > or isn't a member of his own choosing at any given time (although he
> > did "back off" from the group in 2004, you may have read).
> >
> > I'm disputing the representation that CVV was invited to participate.
> > You may recall that it took Neal McBurnett speaking out of turn to
> > force the Republican member to acknowledge the public, and I don't
> > recall that anyone ever said "I'm here speaking on behalf of CVV".
> > Your lawyer was there, she might recall that I complained that CVV
> > was not represented (as well as three other citizen action groups),
> > and that in fact sometime after that, you must have added the name
> > CVV or Citizens for Verifiable Voting to your committee roster.
> >
> > Linda clearly represented that CVV was invited to participate on par
> > with the other named members such as the League and the parties.
> >
> > Show us the invite you sent to CVV to participate, or is there one?
> > Who signed the non-disclosure on behalf of CVV? Where is CVV's copy
> > of the binder?
> >
> > I think you have misrepresented. You are the one who chose to include
> > mention of CVV in your report, and Linda is the one who chose to
> > attempt to agglomerate the good will of the CVV common law mark and
> > confuse the "marketplace" by suggesting an association where none
> > exists.
> >
> > For servants of the public trust, this type of intentionally
> > deceptive behavior is unconscionable.
> >
> > I await the invitation to participate or a retraction, you can even
> > send a bitmap PDF and I don't think anyone will complain about that
> > this time.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Pezzillo
> > PO Box J
> > Boulder, CO 80306 USA
> > jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx
> > 303-938-8850
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Liss, Josh wrote:
> >
> >> Original email failed to reach some of the intended recipients, so
> >> I'll try this again.  Please see response below.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Liss, Josh
> >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:39 AM
> >> To: '=SMTP:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx'; Salas, Linda;
> >> '=SMTP:cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> >> Cc: Bailey, Shelley; Reichert, Marianne; Bo Shaffer (E-mail)
> >> Subject: RE: Did Linda Salas Lie to Boulder County?
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >> I think you have misunderstood.  Linda said a member of Citizens
> >> for Verifiable Voting was *ON* the Evaluation Team.  Bo Shaffer is
> >> a member of CVV, is he not?  Hasn't he been a member of CVV for a
> >> long time?  Has Bo been kicked out of CVV?
> >>
> >> Linda also said that testimony was heard from such groups as CVV,
> >> the Paper Tigers, and the Center for People With Disabilities.  As
> >> a member of CVV and the Paper Tigers, you did testify before the
> >> RFP Evaluation Team, didn't you?
> >>
> >> The answer to your question is "NO".  Linda Salas did not lie to
> >> Boulder County.
> >>
> >> I hope this clarification helps.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Josh Liss
> >> RFP Evaluation Team Chair
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:54 PM
> >> To: Salas, Linda; Liss, Josh; CVV Voting
> >> Cc: Bailey, Shelley; Reichert, Marianne
> >> Subject: Did Linda Salas Lie to Boulder County?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 4/6/2006
> >>
> >> Boulder County Clerk Linda Salas:
> >>
> >> Today, in testimony before the Boulder County Commissioners, you
> >> stated that Citizens for Verifiable Voting had been invited to
> >> participate in your latest RFP evaluation committee.
> >>
> >> Please immediately produce the invitation you sent to CVV to
> >> participate or publicly retract your statements.
> >>
> >> A Boulder County attorney and the Commissioners have been CC'd on
> >> this e-mail.
> >>
> >> If you do not produce the invitation you claimed you extended to CVV
> >> or retract your statements, the next step will be to present this
> >> information to the press.
> >>
> >> You have made false statements before the Boulder County
> >> Commissioners before (1/29/2004), I can compile a complete list if
> >> necessary.
> >>
> >> You may make your written statement of retraction to the CVV mailing
> >> list, a statement from your staff will not be sufficient.
> >>
> >> Joe Pezzillo
> >> PO Box J
> >> Boulder, CO 80306
> >> 303-938-8850
> >> jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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