Re: Boulder County Commissioners: 12/4 10:30am

[Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Paul:

Private to you.

I asked a simple question: What under state law prevents the use of hand
counting?

Instead you go through a diatribe.

Worse, this diatribe does nothing to get 40 volunteers to bang pots at
Udall's office.

So, again, please answer a simple question assuming that you have the
answer.

Ralph


On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:12:09 -0700, you wrote:

>do you read these emails? it is unlawful. it is state law, not a county 
>ordinance. the commissioners can't change state law, and they sure as 
>hell are not just going to violate it because you think it is a good idea.
>
>Ralph, why not use your energy and that off all these other people to 
>serve the issues at hand. we have a short time window. Once past the end 
>of the year, or past whatever decision the commissioners make, then you 
>can go after all the other issues that make sense. Hand counting included.
>
>What I perceive that you are doing now, is diluting the effort. If we 
>don't make a immediate effect on the commissioner's decision in the next 
>25 days, then we will have lost completely.
>
>YOU CANNOT ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO BREAK THE LAW. THEY WON'T DO IT. 
>THEY WON'T TAKE OUR COUNSEL IF THAT IS WHAT WE ASK THEM TO DO.
>
>I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T THINK THAT IT IS AGAINST THE LAW, BUT THAT DOESN'T 
>MEAN THAT IT ISN'T. YOUR OPINION DOES NOT CHANGE REALITY.
>
>Please -- people, we have such a limited time left. Let's concentrate on 
>the doable in the realm of reality.
>
>paul tiger -- Legislative Director of the Libertarian Party of Colorado
>
>
>
>Ralph Shnelvar wrote:
>
>>Dear Paul:
>>
>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:48:38 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Those that want to make a case for hand counting, and there seem to be a
>>>few, need to address the state (SoS) and the legislature. This is not
>>>something that the commissioners can decide upon.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>Why is that?
>>
>>Ralph
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Paul Tiger
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Evan Daniel Ravitz [mailto:evan@xxxxxxxx]
>>>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:49 PM
>>>To: joe pezzillo
>>>Cc: bcv
>>>Subject: Re: Boulder County Commissioners: 12/4 10:30am
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe, I'd like to make the case for hand-counting as a temporary
>>>measure (politicians like to put off the hard decisions, and this is
>>>one case where it makes sense).
>>>
>>>Evan
>>>
>>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, joe pezzillo wrote:
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>>CVV is scheduled on the agenda of the business meeting of the Boulder
>>>>County Commissioners on December 4th, 2003 at 10:30am.
>>>>
>>>>We will have 10 minutes, including any questions from the commissioners
>>>>(who may also choose to invite us back).
>>>>
>>>>This is a public meeting, so please see if you can attend, and perhaps
>>>>even bring a friend.
>>>>
>>>>I presume our presentation will be prepared by our County Commissioners
>>>>sub group, please contact me ASAP if you would like to participate.
>>>>
>>>>In the meantime, we should also work on as much citizen outreach as
>>>>possible so that they have heard from many people before we arrive (and
>>>>hopefully we'll have a lot of signatures on our petitions, too!)
>>>>
>>>>Joe
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
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