Re: [Fwd: Re: Boulder County Commissioners: 12/4 10:30am]

[Emm Ell <passionatepoliticsdenver@xxxxxxxxx>]

> What is with this guy and banging pots and pans??!!
> I do not think this will get this cause anywhere! If
> someone wants to grandstand, I wish you would think
> carefully, and maybe do it later, for some other
> cause. Udall's a good man, done nothing 'wrong'
> towards this issue, and I think it only fair to at
> least seek a meeting with him, or his staff, before
> ticking him off.




-------- Original Message --------  
>          Subject:       Re: Boulder County
> Commissioners: 12/4 10:30am              Date:      
> Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:15:50 -0700              From:  
>     Ralph Shnelvar               Reply-To:      
> ralphs@xxxxxxxxx              To:      
> bcv@xxxxxxxxxxx              References:       
>       Dear Paul:Private to you.I asked a simple
> question: What under state law prevents the use of
> handcounting?Instead you go through a
> diatribe.Worse, this diatribe does nothing to get 40
> volunteers to bang pots atUdall's office.So, again,
> please answer a simple question assuming that you
> have theanswer.RalphOn Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:12:09
> -0700, you wrote:>do you read these emails? it is
> unlawful. it is state law, not a county >ordinance.
> the commissioners can't change state law, and they
> sure as >hell are not just going to violate it
> because you think it is a good idea.>>Ralph, why not
> use your energy and that off all these other people
> to >serve the issues at hand. we have a short time
> window. Once past the end >of the year, or past
> whatever decision the commissioners make, then you
> >can go after all the other issues that make sense.
> Hand counting included.>>What I perceive that you
> are doing now, is diluting the effort. If we >don't
> make a immediate effect on the commissioner's
>  decision in the next >25 days, then we will have
> lost completely.>>YOU CANNOT ASK THE COMMISSIONERS
> TO BREAK THE LAW. THEY WON'T DO IT. >THEY WON'T TAKE
> OUR COUNSEL IF THAT IS WHAT WE ASK THEM TO DO.>>I
> KNOW THAT YOU DON'T THINK THAT IT IS AGAINST THE
> LAW, BUT THAT DOESN'T >MEAN THAT IT ISN'T. YOUR
> OPINION DOES NOT CHANGE REALITY.>>Please -- people,
> we have such a limited time left. Let's concentrate
> on >the doable in the realm of reality.>>paul tiger
> -- Legislative Director of the Libertarian Party of
> Colorado>>>>Ralph Shnelvar wrote:>>>Dear Paul:>>>>On
> Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:48:38 -0700, you wrote:>>>> 
> >>>>>Those that want to make a case for hand
> counting, and there seem to be a>>>few, need to
> address the state (SoS) and the legislature. This is
> not>>>something that the commissioners can decide
> upon.>>>    >>>>>>>Why is that?>>>>Ralph>>>> 
> >>>>>Paul Tiger>>>>>>-----Original
> Message----->>>From: Evan Daniel Ravitz
> [mailto:evan@xxxxxxxx]>>>Sent: Friday, November 21,
> 2003 2:49 PM>>>To:
>  joe pezzillo>>>Cc: bcv>>>Subject: Re: Boulder
> County Commissioners: 12/4 10:30am>>>>>>>>>Joe, I'd
> like to make the case for hand-counting as a
> temporary>>>measure (politicians like to put off the
> hard decisions, and this is>>>one case where it
> makes sense).>>>>>>Evan>>>>>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003,
> joe pezzillo wrote:>>>>>>    >>>>>>>CVV is scheduled
> on the agenda of the business meeting of the
> Boulder>>>>County Commissioners on December 4th,
> 2003 at 10:30am.>>>>>>>>We will have 10 minutes,
> including any questions from the
> commissioners>>>>(who may also choose to invite us
> back).>>>>>>>>This is a public meeting, so please
> see if you can attend, and perhaps>>>>even bring a
> friend.>>>>>>>>I presume our presentation will be
> prepared by our County Commissioners>>>>sub group,
> please contact me ASAP if you would like to
> participate.>>>>>>>>In the meantime, we should also
> work on as much citizen outreach as>>>>possible so
> that they have heard from many people before we
> arrive (and>>>>hopefully
>  we'll have a lot of signatures on our petitions,
> too!)>>>>>>>>Joe>>>>>>>>      >>>>>
> 
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