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Re: [stopvotefraud] Re:June 2-4 "Take Back America Conference" in DC
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- Subject: Re: [stopvotefraud] Re:June 2-4 "Take Back America Conference" in DC
- From: "David L. Dill" <elections@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:21:45 -0700
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I think you've got some fundamental misunderstandings about our
strategy. This is a good opportunity to clarify things, so I hope I'm
not trying the patience of others on the mailing list.
I have removed mailing lists lists from the header.
> Dave
>
> It seems to me that time is now the controlling factor.
>
> The CAMBER option can be implemented through a local decision. It requires
> no new certification, no new laws, no new procedures, and little if any
> additional funding. Our plan requires a simple decision on the part of
> county officials to conduct the election as we suggest.
I think it's great that you were able to do this, and I agree that
local action (by local groups) is the best option, especially for
November.
VerifiedVoting.org is a national group. We have a national strategy,
which includes pushing for Federal legislation. We also have a state
and local strategy which depends on working with state and local
groups.
> We share a short term goal to protect the November 2004 election. To test
> if your plan is feasible, you might want to look at the calendar and set
> some target dates for the following events:
>
> 1. House approves bill
> 2. Senate approves bill
> 3. President approves bill
> 4. National certification of equipment
> 5. State certification of equipment
> 6. Local government budget allocation for emergency purchase of
> equipment/software updates
> 7. Purchasing process
> 8. Purchase commitment
> 9. Manufacturing and delivery
> 10. Local installation and checkout
> 11. Local training
> 12. November election early voting
> 13. November 2, 2004
>
> It seems exceedingly optimistic to believe that many counties would adopt
> this high risk plan. If the option were available, some might. If I were
> an election official, I would not plan on this happening -- too risky.
There are several misunderstandings here:
1) A Federal legislative strategy is not exclusive of local action.
Local action is needed. VerifiedVoting.org has been contributed to
many of the successes in individual states, whether those were
laws, regulations from Secretaries of States, or simply delaying
the purchase of electronic voting equipment.
2) We know that getting a national VVPT requirement by November is a
long shot. But if we succeed in making that long shot, it's going
to be a MAJOR victory. There are circumstances that could lead to
this, like a horrendous meltdown in one of the remaining primaries,
or a large, unexpected election scandal.
However, we're not counting on a Nov. 2004 deadline. Maybe we can
get a bill passed while there is heightened interest that takes
effect in 2006. Before you know it, it will be Nov. 2006 and we'll
be glad we did it.
Of course, a 2006 requirement will put the breaks on planned
purchases of DREs.
If we can't get a bill passed this year, we'll at least have a LOT of
politicians on the record as supporting paper ballots. Many laws are
passed after several years of work like this.
These bills are also a great way to educate politicians and their
constituents about the issue.
3) If we should be so fortunate to get a law passed with a Nov. 2004
deadline, it will not require massive deployment of new equipment.
Indeed, what you call the "CAMBER option" (use the paper ballot
systems in place for absentee ballots) is the EXACTLY what is
envisioned in HR 2239 (the Holt bill) for 2004 for communities
currently using DREs. That was the plan when the bill was written.
That's almost 30% of the U.S. population, not just Boulder or
Colorado! They'll probably want to buy or lease more scanners, and
there is funding in many of the bills for this.
The "CAMBER option" is also what is probably going to happen in the
four counties in California who bought the now-decertified
Accuvote-TSx touch-screen machine.
> On the other hand, the CAMBER option has essentially no risk. Only the
> print order quantity needs to be revised. Not only is the CAMBER option
> feasible for November 2004, it is feasible for Primary 2004.
I see no conflict between local policies such as that in Boulder and
pressing for national legislation.
> I hope you and your colleagues will re-evaluate the assumptions underlying
> your plan. I fear that following your "impossible dream" will result in no
> positive impact on the November 2004 elections.
I'm really not sure that you understand what the plan is. I would be
thrilled if all states and localities could be persuaded to do what
Boulder is doing. But many are not headed in that direction, and,
indeed, 50 million voters are probably going to be voting on DREs this
November.
With a national VVPT requirement, the "CAMBER option" is going to be
much more attractive to many communities than it is now.
The Federal bills represent an incredible amount of work by a lot of
people, including me. Most of them are good bills, on balance, that
will greatly improve election integrity, and allow everyone to focus
on the many other problems, like election auditing procedures and
recount laws.
The problem with the argument that if "X happens, people will have a
false sense of confidence" is that it can be used against absolutely
anything, because absolutely nothing is a complete solution that
satisfies everyone. If we get a good solution to part of the problem,
we're responsible for making sure that people understand that the rest
of the problem needs to be solved.
Ensuring trustworthy elections is going to take continued diligence.
There is no silver bullet. We need paper ballots, we need good
procedures and security, and, most of all, we need transparency. If
we get the best paper ballot solution in the world and declare the
problem "solved," the situation will degrade again.
> Join with us to do what is feasible -- the CAMBER option.
I thought we did that a long time ago. Note that your description of the
"CAMBER option" does NOT include opposing all other plans.
> Al
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> CAMBER
> Citizens for Accurate Mail Ballot Election Results
> 2867 Tincup Circle
> Boulder, CO 80305
> 303-494-1540
> AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx
> www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz
> http://coloradovoter.blogspot.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: election@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:election@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of David L. Dill
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:46 AM
> To: David L. Dill
> Cc: AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx; 'Andrew G. Silver';
> lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Citizens
> for Verifiable Voting'; 'Bob Mcgrath'; 'Carol Mehesy'; 'Donna Plutschuck';
> 'Monty Lambie'; 'Pete Klammer'; 'Peter Raich'; 'Tracy Abell'
> Subject: Re: [stopvotefraud] Re:June 2-4 "Take Back America Conference" in
> DC
>
> >
> > Great, there is a proposal that MIGHT be adopted in Boulder. And a
> > fine proposal it is. Best of luck.
>
> Correction: Great, there is a proposal that has been adopted in Boulder.
>
> > Meanwhile, you are working to sabotage a year and a half of others
> > hard work. You don't have a federal bill with these provisions.
> > You're saying that people should support nothing at the Federal level
> > so that things will stay really bad, so that we can all feel awful and
> > will be more motivated to get a perfect bill in the future. This is
> > just a recipe for no bill, ever.
> >
> > 4 of the 5 bills in the House and Senate are good bills that will
> > greatly improve the integrity of our elections, maybe even in Colorado,
> > but certainly in other states.
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion, but I hope other people will disregard
> > it. Or, at least, not join you in trying to undermine our work.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > As you well know, CAMBER has presented an option. It has been adopted
> in
> > > Boulder Colorado, and we are working hard to get it adopted in other
> > > counties. It is straightforward, and we know that it works.
> > >
> > > =================================================
> > >
> > > CAMBER Option for voting in the 2004 elections
> > >
> > > 1. Do not use electronic ballots.
> > > 2. Since absentee voters use full-ballot-text paper ballots, print
> > > additional copies of each paper ballot style.
> > > 3. Election Day, early, and provisional voters are issued a paper
> ballot
> > > (from step 2 above).
> > > 4. Voters must mark their votes on the paper ballot (see note 2 below).
> > > 5. Voters can verify that their marks are correct.
> > > 6. Voters may exchange a spoiled ballot for a replacement ballot.
> > > 7. Voters must cast their anonymous ballot into a locked ballot box.
> > >
> > > Notes:
> > >
> > > a. The voter verified paper ballot is the only ballot and it is the
> ballot
> > > of count, recount, audit and record.
> > >
> > > b. Vote marking equipment that does not create electronic ballots may be
> > > used to mark the ballots in step 4 above. This equipment can provide
> > > private voting for disabled voters, and increases vote interpretation
> > > quality.
> > >
> > > c. Every paper ballot must contain the full-ballot-text, so that voters
> can
> > > make their selections and verify their votes in context.
> > >
> > > d. The Colorado Secretary of State has placed a moratorium on the
> purchase
> > > of paperless DRE voting equipment.
> > >
> > > ====================================================
> > >
> > >
> > > Al Kolwicz
> > > Executive Director
> > >
> > > CAMBER
> > > Citizens for Accurate Mail Ballot Election Results
> > > 2867 Tincup Circle
> > > Boulder, CO 80305
> > > 303-494-1540
> > > AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx
> > > www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz
> > > http://coloradovoter.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: election@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:election@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On Behalf Of David L. Dill
> > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:40 PM
> > > To: AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Cc: 'Andrew G. Silver'; lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > > stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Citizens for Verifiable Voting; Bob
> Mcgrath;
> > > Carol Mehesy; Donna Plutschuck; Monty Lambie; Pete Klammer; Peter Raich;
> > > Tracy Abell; election@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [stopvotefraud] Re:June 2-4 "Take Back America Conference"
> in
> > > DC
> > >
> > >
> > > Please do not follow Al Kolwicz' terrible advice. It is true that no
> > > bill is perfect, and that it can be difficult to decide when to
> > > compromise. Before Al rejects the options that are on the table, he
> > > should give us some better options, and provide some evidence that he
> > > has a strategy that will succeed. A choice between partial success
> > > and failure is an easy choice, at least for me.
> > >
> > > There are many different problems with elections. If we can solve
> > > some of them, we can then focus on those that remain. One of those
> > > problems is that paperless electronic voting lacks the original
> > > records that could be used to double-check the equipment or resolve
> > > disputes. All of the Federal bills in the house and senate solve
> > > these problems.
> > >
> > > In addition, several of them mandate random surprise recounts in
> > > between .5% and 2% of the precincts. Most bills make clear that if
> > > there is a discrepancy between a paper ballot and the electronic
> > > records, the paper ballots take precedence.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, once paper is required, the attraction of costly DREs
> > > will fade. Many jurisdictions are now choosing optical scan machines
> > > rather than DREs. This trend will probably continue.
> > >
> > > Senator Ensign's recently introduced bill, S. 2437, has the following
> > > language:
> > >
> > > `(iv) The individual permanent paper records produced under clause
> > > (i) shall be used as the official records for purposes of any recount
> > > or audit conducted with respect to any election for Federal office in
> > > which the voting system is used.'
> > >
> > > This would seem to preclude the use of electronic records in a recount.
> > >
> > > Progress in one area does not have to de-motivate people from solving
> > > problems in other areas. Indeed, it will have the opposite effect,
> > > because we will be able to focus attention on those other problems.
> > >
> > > 18 months ago, there was little momentum towards any solution to the
> > > electronic voting problem. Indeed, there was little recognition that
> > > a problem even existed. We brought the issue to the press and the
> > > public, and we can now see the momentum that has been created. We can
> > > do the same thing with other election issues.
> > >
> > > David Dill
> > > Founder of VerifiedVoting.org
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > >
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> > > > Andrew,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please don't succumb to current legislative proposals because you
> believe
> > > > they are, "the best we can get at this date."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The instant these ineffective proposals would become law, it would
> > > > strengthen the enemies of voter verified paper ballots as the ballot
> of
> > > > count, recount, audit and record.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It would likely take years before the public would be ready to
> reconsider
> > > > the issue. The wrong candidates and issues would win elections.
> > > > Manipulation and errors would go undetected.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To silence critics, it is human nature for officials to do something
> > > > (anything) even though it does not solve the problem. AS long as
> nothing
> > > is
> > > > done, the issue stays open.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Public understanding of the issue is much easier while there is no
> paper
> > > > record than it would be if there is a paper record that is not the
> > > official
> > > > record of votes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1. Implementation of the proposed legislation will not result
> in
> > > > trustworthy elections.
> > > > 2. Implementation of the proposed legislation will result in
> reduc
> ed
> > > > voter confidence - the lurking question will be, "I wonder who would
> have
> > > > won if we counted the votes that are recorded on paper?"
> > > > 3. Once implemented, it will be more difficult for us to
> convince
> the
> > > > public that, "To avoid fraud and manipulation, electronic voting
> systems
> > > > must use a voter verified paper ballot as the ballot of count,
> recount,
> > > > audit and record."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hang in there and demand what is right. The legislators don't want to
> do
> > > > the wrong thing. Don't help the enemy win the battle.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Al Kolwicz
> > > >
> > > > Executive Director
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > CAMBER
> > > >
> > > > Citizens for Accurate Mail Ballot Election Results
> > > >
> > > > 2867 Tincup Circle
> > > >
> > > > Boulder, CO 80305
> > > >
> > > > 303-494-1540
> > > >
> > > > AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz
> > > >
> > > > http://coloradovoter.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: Andrew G. Silver [mailto:andrewgsilver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:21 AM
> > > > To: lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [stopvotefraud] Re:June 2-4 "Take Back America Conference" in
> DC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About three people have sent me Howard Dean's message, but I think
> > > > not to either email list. I had not realized before that Dean is
> > > > really pressing the v-vpat issue, and think it is important that we
> > > > all know. I have gone to the website given in the message, signed
> > > > the petition, and joined DFA.
> > > >
> > > > I recognize that the DFA position is not as adequate and unequivocal
> > > > as that of CAMBER and the Libertarian Party. But for the November
> > > > election, I advocate supporting HR 2239 and S1980, the best we can
> > > > get at this date, and then continue at the elections to demand audits
> > > > and recounts where we can. The one leaflet that I shall prepare will
> > > > be focused on supporting HR 2239 and S 1980, but also mention that
> > > > the paper ballot should be the vote of record.
> > > >
> > > > For those of us going to the conference, I am told that DFA is
> > > > getting together at 5 PM Friday. I hope that all of us in these
> > > > groups who are attending can meet then. I shall prepare a
> > > > supplemental name badge for myself with "verifiedvoting.org" and
> > > > "stopfvotefraud@yahoogroups" printed on it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Howard Dean has sent this message to his mailing list.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >In order for your vote to affect the outcome of this election, it
> > > > >must be counted. As November nears we must act now to ensure that
> > > > >our voting systems produce accurate and verifiable results.
> > > > >
> > > > >Right now, some states are planning to use machines that will not
> > > > >allow voters to verify their choices. This means that any flaws in
> > > > >the machine or software will never be caught -- and no recount will
> > > > >be possible. And the head of the largest e-voting machine company --
> > > > >who is a major contributor to George Bush and has promised to
> > > > >deliver Ohio to him -- asks that we just trust him.
> > > > >
> > > > >Today we call on Congress and the states to require any electronic
> > > > >voting machine used in this election to produce a paper trail -- one
> > > > >that allows voters to verify their choices and officials to conduct
> > > > >recounts. Add your name to the call for accountability:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ><http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verify>http://www.democracyforamerica.
> c
> > > > om/verify
> > > > >
> > > > >We will deliver the petition to Congress and the secretaries of
> > > > >state of every state planning to use electronic voting machines.
> > > > >
> > > > >Please forward this message to everyone you know who wants to see
> > > > >that every vote is counted this year. You can also spread the word
> > > > >by using our grassroots action center, Organize for America, to
> > > > >invite your friends to sign the petition:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ><http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verifyinvite>http://www.democracyforam
> e
> > > > rica.com/verifyinvite
> > > > >
> > > > >Casting a vote is the most fundamental action we take as citizens.
> > > > >But voting is not a symbolic act -- the last presidential election
> > > > >demonstrated that every vote matters. Our responsibility in the
> > > > >months before November is to ensure that this time, every vote will
> > > > >be counted.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > >Governor Howard Dean, M.D.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: <mailto:andrewgsilver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Andrew G. Silver
> > > > >To:
> > > >
> > >
> ><mailto:lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> o
> > > > rg
> > > > >; <mailto:stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 12:25 AM
> > > > >Subject: [VerifiedVoting.org lobbyists] June 2-4 "Take Back America
> > > > >Conference" in DC
> > > > >
> > > > >For information on the conference see
> > > > ><http://www.ourfuture.org>www.ourfuture.org.
> > > > >
> > > > >I shall be attending in the hope of having an opportunity to
> > > > >influence personally some of the many political activists attending
> > > > >-Howard Dean, Julian Bond, Moveon people, Jim Hightower, et al.
> > > > >Though the agenda is very long, they seem to have forgotten about
> > > > >verified voting and voter protection. If anyone else primarily is
> > > > >advocating for these issues is going, could you let me know, so that
> > > > >we could try to pool our resources and strategies?
> > > > >--
> > > > >Defending Freedom and Democracy,
> > > > >Andy Silver
> > > > >Hillsborough, NC
> > > > >phone/fax: (919) 245-0277 (h)
> > > > >(919) 380-9860, x2405 (o, 9:30 AM - 6:30 PM)
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> > > > <div class=3DSection1>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'>Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
> New";color:black'>Please =
> > > > don’t
> > > > succumb to current legislative proposals because you believe they are,
> =
> > > > “the
> > > > best we can get at this date.”
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>The =
> > > > instant
> > > > these ineffective proposals would become law, it would strengthen the
> =
> > > > enemies
> > > > of <strong><b><font face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";
> > > > font-weight:normal'>voter verified paper ballots as the ballot of
count,
> > > > recount, audit and record</span></font></b></strong>. =
> > > > <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>It =
> > > > would likely
> > > > take years before the public would be ready to reconsider the =
> > > > issue. The
> > > > wrong candidates and issues would win elections. Manipulation
> and =
> > > > errors
> > > > would go undetected. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>To =
> > > > silence critics,
> > > > it is human nature for officials to do something (anything) even
> though =
> > > > it does
> > > > not solve the problem. AS long as nothing is done, the issue
> stays
> =
> > > > open.
> > > > <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
> New";color:black'>Public =
> > > > understanding
> > > > of the issue is much easier while there is no paper record than it
> would
> =
> > > > be if there
> > > > is a paper record that is not the official record of =
> > > > votes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <ol style=3D'margin-top:0in' start=3D1 type=3D1>
> > > > <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 =
> > > > lfo2'><font size=3D2
> > > > color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> > > > "Courier New"'>Implementation of the proposed legislation will
> not =
> > > > result
> > > > in trustworthy elections.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
> > > > <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 =
> > > > lfo2'><font size=3D2
> > > > color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> > > > "Courier New"'>Implementation of the proposed legislation will =
> > > > result in
> > > > reduced voter confidence – the lurking question will be, =
> > > > “I
> > > > wonder who would have won if we counted the votes that are
> recorded
> =
> > > > on
> > > > paper?”<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
> > > > <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 =
> > > > lfo2'><font size=3D2
> > > > color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> > > > "Courier New"'>Once implemented, it will be more difficult for us
> =
> > > > to
> > > > convince the public that, <b><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-weight:bold'>“</span></b><strong><b><font
> > > > face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";font-weight:
> > > > normal'>To avoid fraud and manipulation, electronic voting
> systems =
> > > > must
> > > > use a voter verified paper ballot as the ballot of count,
> recount, =
> > > > audit
> > > > and record</span></font></b></strong><b><span =
> > > >
> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>.”</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></
> =
> > > > li>
> > > > </ol>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > >
> New";color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p
> =
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Hang
> in
> =
> > > > there
> > > > and demand what is right. The legislators don’t want to do
> =
> > > > the
> > > > wrong thing. Don’t help the enemy win the battle. =
> > > > <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D2 =
> > > > color=3Dblack
> > > > face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
> > > > color:black'>Al Kolwicz</span></font></st1:PersonName><font size=3D2
> > > > color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
> > > > color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'>Executive
> > > > Director <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New"><span
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > > > font-family:"Courier New"'>CAMBER<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > > > font-family:"Courier New"'>Citizens for Accurate Mail Ballot Election
> =
> > > > Results<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address =
> > > > w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D2
> > > > face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>2867
> > > > Tincup Circle</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><font size=3D2
> > > > face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City
> w:st=3D"on"><font =
> > > > size=3D2
> > > > face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New"'>Boulder</span></font></st1:City><font
> > > > size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>,
> > > > <st1:State w:st=3D"on">CO</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode =
> > > > w:st=3D"on">80305</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><font
> > > > size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > > > New"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > > > font-family:"Courier New"'>303-494-1540<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > > > font-family:"Courier New"'><a href=3D"mailto:AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx";
> > > >
> title=3D"mailto:AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx";>AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></
> =
> > > > span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > > > font-family:"Courier New"'><a =
> > > > href=3D"http://www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz";
> > > >
> title=3D"http://www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz";>www.users.qwest.net/~alko
> =
> > > > lwicz</a>
> > > > <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > > > font-family:"Courier New"'><a
> href=3D"http://coloradovoter.blogspot.com";
> > > >
> title=3D"http://coloradovoter.blogspot.com";>http://coloradovoter.blogspot
> =
> > > > .com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:
> > > >
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:
> > > >
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <div>
> > > >
> > > > <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter
> style=3D'text-align:center'><font =
> > > > size=3D3
> > > > face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>
> > > >
> > > > <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1>
> > > >
> > > > </span></font></div>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > > > font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
> > > > size=3D2
> > > > face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
> > > > Andrew G. Silver
> > > > [mailto:andrewgsilver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] <br>
> > > > <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 31, =
> > > > 2004 10:21
> > > > AM<br>
> > > > <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
> > > > lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
> > > > <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b>
> [stopvotefraud] =
> > > > Re:June
> > > > 2-4 "Take Back <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
> > > > w:st=3D"on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>
> > > > Conference" in DC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
> > > >
> > > > </div>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:
> > > > 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> > > >
> > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><tt><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:
> > > > 10.0pt'>About three people have sent me Howard Dean's message, but I =
> > > > think </span></font></tt><font
> > > > size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">not to either email list. I had
> not
> =
> > > > realized
> > > > before that Dean is </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">really pressing the v-vpat issue, and =
> > > > think it is
> > > > important that we </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">all know. I have gone to the =
> > > > website given
> > > > in the message, signed </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">the petition, and joined =
> > > > DFA.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">I recognize that the DFA position is
> not =
> > > > as
> > > > adequate and unequivocal </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">as that of CAMBER and the Libertarian
> > > > Party. But for the November </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">election, I advocate supporting HR 2239
> =
> > > > and S1980,
> > > > the best we can </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">get at this date, and then continue at
> =
> > > > the
> > > > elections to demand audits </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">and recounts where we can. The
> one =
> > > > leaflet
> > > > that I shall prepare will </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">be focused on supporting HR 2239 =
> > > > and S 1980,
> > > > but also mention that </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">the paper ballot should be the vote of
> =
> > > > record.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">For those of us going to the
> conference, =
> > > > I am told
> > > > that DFA is </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">getting together at 5 PM Friday.
> I =
> > > > hope that
> > > > all of us in these </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">groups who are attending can meet =
> > > > then. I
> > > > shall prepare a </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">supplemental name badge for myself with
> > > > "verifiedvoting.org" and </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier =
> > > > New">"stopfvotefraud@yahoogroups"
> > > > printed on it.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Howard Dean has sent this message
> to =
> > > > his
> > > > mailing list.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>In order for your vote to affect
> the =
> > > > outcome
> > > > of this election, it </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>must be counted. As November nears
> we
> =
> > > > must act
> > > > now to ensure that </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>our voting systems produce accurate
> =
> > > > and
> > > > verifiable results.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Right now, some states are planning
> =
> > > > to use
> > > > machines that will not </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>allow voters to verify their
> choices.
> =
> > > > This
> > > > means that any flaws in </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>the machine or software will never
> be
> =
> > > > caught
> > > > -- and no recount will </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>be possible. And the head of the =
> > > > largest
> > > > e-voting machine company -- </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>who is a major contributor to
> George =
> > > > Bush and
> > > > has promised to </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>deliver <st1:State =
> > > > w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Ohio</st1:place></st1:State>
> > > > to him -- asks that we just trust him.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Today we call on Congress and the =
> > > > states to
> > > > require any electronic </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>voting machine used in this
> election =
> > > > to
> > > > produce a paper trail -- one </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>that allows voters to verify their
> =
> > > > choices and
> > > > officials to conduct </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>recounts. Add your name to the call
> =
> > > > for
> > > > accountability:</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">><<a
> > > >
> href=3D"http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verify";>http://www.democracyfo
> =
> > > > ramerica.com/verify</a>><a
> > > >
> href=3D"http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verify";>http://www.democracyfo
> =
> > > > ramerica.com/verify</a></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>We will deliver the petition to =
> > > > Congress and
> > > > the secretaries of </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>state of every state planning to
> use
> > > > electronic voting machines.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Please forward this message to =
> > > > everyone you
> > > > know who wants to see </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>that every vote is counted this
> year.
> =
> > > > You can
> > > > also spread the word </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>by using our grassroots action =
> > > > center,
> > > > Organize for <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
> > > > w:st=3D"on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
> > > > to </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>invite your friends to sign the =
> > > > petition:</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">><<a
> > > >
> href=3D"http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verifyinvite";>http://www.democ
> =
> > > > racyforamerica.com/verifyinvite</a>><a
> > > >
> href=3D"http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verifyinvite";>http://www.democ
> =
> > > > racyforamerica.com/verifyinvite</a></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Casting a vote is the most =
> > > > fundamental action
> > > > we take as citizens. </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>But voting is not a symbolic act --
> =
> > > > the last
> > > > presidential election </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>demonstrated that every vote
> matters.
> =
> > > > Our
> > > > responsibility in the </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>months before November is to ensure
> =
> > > > that this
> > > > time, every vote will </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>be counted.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Thank you.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Governor Howard Dean, =
> > > > M.D.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>----- Original Message =
> > > > -----</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>From:
> > > > <mailto:andrewgsilver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Andrew G. =
> > > > Silver</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>To: </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier =
> > > >
> New">><mailto:lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>lobbyists@lists
> =
> > > > .verifiedvoting.org
> > > > </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>;
> > > >
> <mailto:stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> =
> > > > </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 12:25 =
> > > > AM</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Subject: [VerifiedVoting.org =
> > > > lobbyists] June
> > > > 2-4 "Take Back America </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Conference" in =
> > > > DC</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>For information on the conference
> see
> =
> > > > </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">><<a =
> > > >
> href=3D"http://www.ourfuture.org";>http://www.ourfuture.org</a>>www.our
> =
> > > > future.org.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>I shall be attending in the hope of
> =
> > > > having an
> > > > opportunity to</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>influence personally some of the
> many
> =
> > > > political
> > > > activists attending</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>-Howard Dean, Julian Bond, Moveon =
> > > > people, Jim
> > > > Hightower, et al.</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Though the agenda is very long,
> they =
> > > > seem to
> > > > have forgotten about</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>verified voting and voter =
> > > > protection. If
> > > > anyone else primarily is</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>advocating for these issues is
> going,
> =
> > > > could
> > > > you let me know, so that</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>we could try to pool our resources
> =
> > > > and
> > > > strategies?</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>--</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Defending Freedom and =
> > > > Democracy,</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Andy Silver</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City =
> > > > w:st=3D"on">Hillsborough</st1:City>,
> > > > <st1:State w:st=3D"on">NC</st1:State></st1:place></font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>phone/fax: (919) 245-0277 =
> > > > (h)</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>(919) 380-9860, x2405 (o, 9:30 AM -
> =
> > > > 6:30 PM)</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>--</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>This is message
> #24.</font></tt><br>
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> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
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> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">-- </font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Defending Freedom and =
> > > > Democracy,</font></tt><br>
> > > > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Andy Silver</font></tt><br>
> > > > <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on"><tt><font face=3D"Courier
> =
> > > > New">Hillsborough</font></tt></st1:City><tt><font
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