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Re: Election in Boulder County nullified on constitutional grounds?

Dear All,

I am lurking in the background, trying to comprehend the voting issues facing us tomorrow and in November. Tomorrow I will be a first-time-ever election judge in a Boulder County precinct in the city of Boulder. In that capacity I was required to vote early (i.e., last week). A ballot was printed out for me in particular as I went through the check-in process. I do not know whether that ballot can be attached to me at this point via the bar code, but I am uncomfortable with the whole idea of a ballot's being specially printed for a particular voter.

On the other hand, tomorrow when a voter approaches me to receive a ballot, I am to give out a randomly chosen ballot from a stack of fifty blank (but no doubt bar coded) pre-prepared ballots. This approach seems quite acceptable to me.

My question for all of you is, Are you concerned that the ballots to be voted during the regular voting tomorrow under the Hart system are not secret?

Thank you for any insights you may offer.

Mary Eberle

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

I know that Paul's reputation for accuracy and fact checking speaks for
itself.

Mr. Tiger wrote that "[|>] The bar code on the sides of the ballots identify
the ballot style, not the individual ballot. Ballot style is about what
issues a person can vote on in a particular geographical location. My wife
and I would have the same ballot style in a general election, but different
in a primary. We live in the same house, but we are members of different
parties. I get a Libertarian ballot, she gets a Democratic ballot. If we
were members of the same party the barcodes would be identical."

Mr. Tiger then retracted the statement by claiming that he was misinformed. 

PT: "Let me be clear that I was misinformed and now stand corrected: in that
there is a barcode that does track the ballot itself with these new ballots.
And I didn't learn this from this email from Joe."

He then went on with a bunch of irrelevancies.



Here's what's relevant: 

Article VII Section 8 of the Colorado Constitution.
- - - -
Elections by ballot or voting machine. All elections by the people shall be
by ballot, and in case paper ballots are required to be used, no ballots
shall be marked in any way whereby the ballot can be identified as the
ballot of the person casting it. "
- - - -


Here's the doubly embarrassing point:  (1) Boulder got a waiver from the
Secretary of State to use these ballots in this election.  (2) Who gave the
Secretary of State the authority to overrule a Colorado constitutional
provision?



Where'd I get my information? Al Kolwicz, of course.

I have known Al for several years and he gets his facts straight.

Yes, reputation precedes both these men.

Ralph Shnelvar



P.S.  The following is my opinion (and I have not discussed this with Al
Kolwicz).

I am not a lawyer but I'd make a bet that the loser (or winner) of any
election in this primary season would have a good shot at having this
election in Boulder County nullified on constitutional grounds.




On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:42:25 -0600, you wrote:


I think that Al’s reputation speaks for itself. It hardly needs Mr. Shaffer’
s ‘tampering’ to sound far fetched. The daily camera – so well known for
accuracy and information, is expert in areas of far-fetched.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mcgrath, Bob___PI_Mkt [mailto:bob.mcgrath@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:40 AM
To: 'LPBC Chairman'; AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx; Citizens for Verifiable Voting;
Mcgrath, Bob___PI_Mkt; Carol Mehesy; Donna Plutschuck; Monty Lambie; Pete
Klammer; Peter Raich; Tracy Abell
Cc: Tom Halicki; Nancy Jo Wurl; board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
chair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; chair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: What is Boulder County trying to hide?

You are making grave charges and tampering with a man's reputation here.  If
you have something to say, say it.  The Boulder Camera didn't seem to think
his attempts to submit facsimiles of possible ballots was so far-fetched.

Bob McGrath, Director
Coloradoans for Voting Integrity
2801 Youngfield Street, #300
Golden, CO 80401
Tel. 303.231.1031
http://www.cfvi.org <http://www.cfvi.org/>
-----Original Message-----
From: LPBC Chairman [mailto:chairman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:27 PM
To: AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx; Citizens for Verifiable Voting; Bob Mcgrath; Carol
Mehesy; Donna Plutschuck; Monty Lambie; Pete Klammer; Peter Raich; Tracy
Abell
Cc: Tom Halicki; Nancy Jo Wurl; board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
chair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; chair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: What is Boulder County trying to hide?
I have officially forwarded this to certain interested and involved
individuals and organizations who were not included in the original public
posting.

Mr. Kolwicz has told an interestingly spun tale.
There are many inaccuracies and partial truths, and a couple of outright
lies.
A fair amount of false information, too.....but I believe that Mr. Kolwicz
is blissfully unaware of this and has an excuse......

However, I suggest any one who wants to know the truth (or, at least listen
to what all parties concerned have to say), contact the County Chairs of
each Political Party, the Election Clerks involved and the Sheriff's Office.
Ask for information.....

We can't *all* be trying to cover up, can we?
Well, maybe AL thinks so.........;-)
Maybe it's all those fumes from the Black Helicopters.....'-)
Also makes him think he can make demands on the Libertarian Party......<LOL>

Bo Shaffer
LPBC Chair



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