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Re: Did Linda Salas Lie to Boulder County?


The fundamental problem with this situation is this:
During 2003, Citizens for Verifiable Voting ("CVV") was formed as an ad hoc group of local citizens who were opposed to electronic voting. As an ad hoc group, membership theoretically was (and remains) open to any Boulder County citizen. Thus, yes, you're a member, even if you quit the group at least once before.
Since you're a member, you presumably recall that CVV met perhaps half a dozen times, the largest meeting had approximately 50 attendees, you may have been at that meeting, I do not recall, and if you'd like, I can dig out the attendance sign up sheets.
During those meetings, every attendee was encouraged to discuss their concerns and suggestions about elections.
The group heard, discussed and tolerated a wide variety of opinions and perspectives, ranging from "DREs might be okay under these limited circumstances" to "hand count all ballots".
After months of in-person meetings and e-mail discussion, CVV was able to arrive at a CONSENSUS position and adopted the following four points which we presented to the Boulder County Commissioners on December 4th, 2003.
1) Insist on the use of paper ballots as the single, official record of the vote; 2) Allow no secret software in any voting machines or vote counting machines; 3) Recognize that accuracy is the most important aspect in the elections, not speed of completing the counts; and 4) Support HR 2239, and other election reform laws at the local, state, and national level that encompass and resolve all of the above concerns. 


You may find this position statement on the web at:

http://coloradovoter.net/moin.cgi/PositionStatement
The Boulder County Clerk represented to the Commissioners and general public that CVV was "included," "invited" and/or otherwise given the opportunity to participate as a full member of the RFPET: CVV was listed in the enumerated lists of participating organizations; CVV is listed as a represented organization on the committee's roster; the Clerk made clear statements to suggest that CVV and it's membership and positions were represented. 

That is the lie.
Even if you are a member of CVV, you were not asked to participate because of your membership, and the fact of your membership was added retroactively in a move specifically intended to mislead. If CVV had been invited to participate, it should have the same "paper trail" as any other member, including a non-disclosure agreement and a binder of RFP response materials.
If I'm wrong, then the Clerk can show us the invitation that CVV was extended to participate, where CVV accepted or rejected that invitation, and where CVV's consensus position (or the RFPET's rejection of CVV's position) is represented in the final report.
If not, the Clerk should immediately retract her statements because no such representation was extended to CVV.
You can attack me, but the truth is the truth, and it's not on Linda Salas' side. Have you read her campaign literature? Wow, talk about fiction. Funny she doesn't mention any of the campaign promises she made in 2002, I wonder why...
I'm sure you'll have equally insufficient explanations for every other false statement she has made, and you know I've got a list... 

Joe
PS - We're still awaiting a copy of that invitation and/or a retraction on the CVV list! 

Joe Pezzillo
PO Box J
Boulder, CO 80306 USA
jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx
303-938-8850



On Apr 7, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Delta wrote:


so, just how "pure" do you have to be to be considered a "member"???
show me your membership list.....

I was there at the beginning and I am still there.
sounds like a member to me.
i do not apologize for the Clerk....I *try* to apologize for you being a 
jerk.
I'm sick and tired of all you little weenies yelling and complaining because 
nobody does what *you* want.....
Your way or the highway???

Nutz.
I am a member of CVV and have been since the beginning....even if I try to distance myself from the more fanatical members.....Doesn't matter WHAT kind 
of spin *you* try to put on it.
I was instrumental in getting CVV to be heard by the Team.
CVV voiced concerns and they were listened to.....just not all *your*
desires were met....GET OVER IT.
You make yourself (and others by association), look petty and ridiculous, 
calling for a written invitation.....
Keep it up and NOBODY will invite CVV ANYwhere.....

Bo


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:50 PM
To: delta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Linda Salas; Joshua B. Liss; CVV Voting; Shelley Bailey; Boulder
County Commissioners
Subject: Re: Did Linda Salas Lie to Boulder County?



Bo-

Just show us the invitation and stop acting like you're "father knows
best".

Linda misrepresented CVV's participation in the RFPET and you know
it...why are you always the first to apologize for her anyway?

Membership on the open public e-mail list is hardly membership in the
group, especially when your membership on the list consists primarily
of attacks on other members or trying to bait other participants into
flame wars with you. Besides, in your own words, you withdrew from
CVV on or before 4/26/2004.

"This is why *I* for one have backed off this CVV group"

http://coloradovoter.net/bcv-archive/msg01041.html

Which makes you even claiming to be a member somewhat deceptive in
and of itself, but despite your repeated attempts to start arguments,
you're still always welcome here, even if, as you've noted, you're
always in the minority opinion, and CVV never seems to agree with you
(as your e-mails regularly point out).

Funny, given all that, tell me again how CVV chose you to represent
it on the RFPET? Can I see that invitation for CVV to participate?
The one like all the other named participants got (LWV, ACLU, Ds, Rs,
Ls...)?

Who signed the non-disclosure agreement on behalf of CVV?

And this is what passes for "integrity" at the clerk's office, and
you defend it? And you trust people who would act like that to count
your votes?

"I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little
children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 18:3
(NIV)

Joe



On Apr 6, 2006, at 9:25 PM, Delta wrote:


For Cat's sake, Joe....stop acting like a petulant child.
CVV was specifically invited on the second and third RFPET meetings
to give
public testimony, because a representative was there and asked.
It's in the minutes....
CVV *gave* testimony.....that's in the minutes, too.

And as far as *my* membership in CVV goes (which Mr. Shnelvar didn't
question, but did complain that I wasn't mainstream CVV) I was
there when
the group started....I have as much right as anyone to claim to be
a part of
it. I have different ideas than some of you....so do some others. That 
doesn't mean that any of us could not be a representative of the
group...informal as that membership/representation is.
Everyone who wanted to, said their piece....during the RFPET hearings. It's not very democratic of you to denounce the entire process because 
everybody didn't listen to your version and do everything *you*
wanted.
Your voice was heard and then the Team moved on.
Feel free to continue to push your particular agenda, but realize
how you
belittle it by being petty.

Bo


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Pezzillo [mailto:jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:54 PM
To: Linda Salas; Joshua B. Liss; CVV Voting
Cc: Shelley Bailey; Boulder County Commissioners
Subject: Did Linda Salas Lie to Boulder County?



4/6/2006

Boulder County Clerk Linda Salas:

Today, in testimony before the Boulder County Commissioners, you
stated that Citizens for Verifiable Voting had been invited to
participate in your latest RFP evaluation committee.

Please immediately produce the invitation you sent to CVV to
participate or publicly retract your statements.

A Boulder County attorney and the Commissioners have been CC'd on
this e-mail.
If you do not produce the invitation you claimed you extended to CVV 
or retract your statements, the next step will be to present this
information to the press.

You have made false statements before the Boulder County
Commissioners before (1/29/2004), I can compile a complete list if
necessary.
You may make your written statement of retraction to the CVV mailing 
list, a statement from your staff will not be sufficient.

Joe Pezzillo
PO Box J
Boulder, CO 80306
303-938-8850
jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx