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Re: Fwd: Citizens in the Dark

Paul:

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:10:40 -0600, you wrote:

>On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 09:45:39PM -0600, Ralph Shnelvar wrote:
>> I am terribly sorry but I have first hand experience with vote fraud.
>> 
>> As you all know by now, I'm a Libertarian so I don't particularly care which
>> of the two major parties gets into power.  They both are equaling appalling
>> to me.
>> 
>> Several years ago I was walking a district for a friend in Colorado Springs.
>> I was working off of an official voter registration list.
>> 
>> Here's the fact: a good 5% of the addresses on the voter registration list
>> for three precincts did not exist.  I couldn't deliver my packet of
>> information because there was no house at the address listed.
>> 
>> Form your own conclusion.
>
>I conclude that the bureaucrats in the county elections office do a really
>shoddy job of data entry. People doing sloppy work is much more common
>than criminality. 

Here's the point: If I know about the 5% error rate then other people do.

Here's the other point: Do we deny that elections are stolen?  Is it just
noise coming out of Chicago, Tammany Hall, and Ohio?

Having lived in Chicago for ten years I can tell you that lots of dead
people vote.  Some of them are clever enough to vote often.

>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We are all interested in the legitimacy of the vote.  When our county
>> officials and our voting machine vendors ask for our trust, we all sniff.
>> 
>> Why is it that there are people asking us to believe random individuals who
>> show up at the polls that they are entitled to vote?
>> 
>> As some wit has noted, we ask for more identification from people who want
>> to cash a $5 check than we do of those who want to vote.
>> 
>> Ralph Shnelvar
>
>The weasel word in the report is 'significant'. When there is a 60/40
>divide in the electorate, it takes an awful lot of fraud for it to
>become 'significant'.  But with a 50.5/49.5 divide, an amount of fraud
>that is impossible to detect becomes 'significant'. (If the Republicans
>would just not vote the increased spread would make whatever fraud
>there is be insignificant ;-)
>
>In my opinion, the best way to eliminate fraud in registration is to
>eliminate the picky rules about criminal record, citizenship, residency,
>etc.

Citizenship?????!!!!! Anyone can vote here????!!!!  Why bother even becoming
a citizen?

>But also eliminate absentee voting, mail-in ballots, and insist
>that people show up at the precinct polling place to vote a paper ballot.

On this last point I agree.

Ralph Shnelvar


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>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:49:10 -0600, you wrote:
>> 
>> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >From: PFAW Activist Network <alerts@xxxxxxxx>
>> >Date: Oct 19, 2006 8:40 AM
>> >Subject: Citizens in the Dark
>> >To: Margit Johansson <margitjo@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >
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>> >According to *USA Today*, a new report shows there is no evidence that
>> >significant numbers of voters are lying about their identity at the polls,
>> >voting twice or voting in the name of dead people. Yet across the country,
>> >burdensome voter ID bills and other legislation that disenfranchises
>> >eligible voters are being justified by this made-up epidemic. We deserve to
>> >know which threats are real and which threats are imaginary.
>> >
>> >*Please petition the Elections Assistance Commission to release its report
>> >on voter fraud!
>> >*
>> >*http://www.ReleaseTheReport.com*<http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?ID=M7208151813989333536584265>
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>> >*Dear* *Margit**,
>> >
>> >*
>> >
>> >You've heard the expression, "the cure is worse than the disease." Well
>> >that's especially true when you don't even have the disease in question!
>> >
>> >Right-wing members of Congress and state legislators have been passing
>> >onerous laws that make it harder for citizens to vote. Despite erecting
>> >barriers to the ballot box and disenfranchising voters, they've claimed
>> >these laws are necessary to stop rampant voter fraud.
>> >
>> >Thanks to a press leak, it is now public that the US Elections Assistance
>> >Commission (EAC) commissioned a report to find out about voter fraud.
>> >According to *USA
>> >Today*<http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?ID=M7208154313989333536584265>,
>> >the EAC's report shows that there is no evidence that significant numbers of
>> >voters are lying about their identity at the polls, voting twice, or voting
>> >in the name of dead people. Let me repeat that: NO EVIDENCE.
>> >
>> >While this has long been suspected by those of us who have fought
>> >discriminatory attempts to address "voter fraud" (e.g. voter ID bills that
>> >would, in effect, create a poll tax for poor, elderly and minority citizens
>> >who don't have or need government issued ID in their regular lives), the EAC
>> >report makes it official: voter fraud does not present a health risk to our
>> >democracy. That is, it *would* be official if the EAC had released it. ? But
>> >it won't release it.
>> >
>> >*Please petition the EAC to release the report at
>> >http://www.ReleaseTheReport.com<http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?ID=M7208152613989333536584265>
>> >**!*
>> >
>> >Across the country, states have been introducing legislation requiring
>> >voters to show identification before voting, preventing eligible voters from
>> >casting ballots. Indeed, the US Congress has tried to pass national Voter ID
>> >legislation four times in the last four months ? all in the name of stopping
>> >the one electoral cancer from which we don't appear to be suffering. Worse,
>> >the mostly Republican legislators who are pushing such "prescriptions" are
>> >more like doctors who are getting kickbacks for prescribing cancer drugs to
>> >healthy people, insofar as they are keeping away from the polls voters who
>> >tend to cast ballots for the other party.
>> >
>> >*Sign the petition<http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?ID=M7208154413989333536584265>to
>> >the EAC urging that this report be released and that hearings be held
>> >on
>> >its findings. We deserve to know which threats are real and which threats
>> >are imaginary.*
>> >
>> >*http://www.ReleaseTheReport.com<http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?ID=M7208153213989333536584265>
>> >*
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