Re: Fwd: GOP vote fraud front group dies

[Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, 23 May 2007 09:05:18 -0500, you wrote:

>What's gleeful about following the actions of possible crooks/ traitors?

Because the crooks and traitors are identified as Republican crooks and
traitors.  They are identified as "GOP front groups", etc..

It would be like identifying us as "Denver-area liberal activists."  I fully
admit to being liberal in many regards but classifying me, for instance, as
a liberal would still be misleading.

>The only heartening aspect of the tragic situation with our elections
>is when there is actually some mainstream media attention to what is going
>on.  I'm gleefully committed to distributing evidence of individual vote
>fraud, if you come up with it.

I have experience of things not passing the smell test but I have nothing
that I could submit as proof.

>Cheers.
>Margit
>PS Why are the penalties for individual fraud higher in CO state law than
>for tampering with machines which could result in faking MANY votes.  Tupa
>told me this year he didn't want to make the latter a felony because he
>didn't think such transgressions existed.  Heads in the sand don't solve
>anything.

Tupa is a good guy but if he can't touch or feel it then it doesn't exist
for him.

That's been our problem with the general public.

Ralph


>
>
>On 5/23/07, Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Friends:
>>
>> I find this gleeful Republican-bashing rather distasteful and
>> counterproductive.
>>
>> Let us address, though, the issue of voter fraud.
>>
>> This group wants fair, honest, and open elections because we fear the
>> possibility fraud in the electronics.
>>
>> Whether fraud actually exists in electronic voting, the issue is that it
>> could.  Many of us programmers and technologists understand how easy it is
>> to bury fraud into the programming or into the hardware.
>>
>> Thus most of us want either hand-counted paper ballots or open software.
>> I'm on the side of hand-counted paper ballots.
>>
>> On the other side is the issue of voter fraud at the individual level.  If
>> there is no checking of registration, etc., how long will it be before
>> people cheat?  Is that what we want?
>>
>>
>> I have the following story.  In (roughly) 2003, I worked a campaign down
>> in
>> Colorado Springs in which I went door-to-door precinct-by-precinct working
>> off of a list of registered voters.  I was to give a packet of information
>> to the Republican registered voters.  (I was promoting a Republican
>> candidate.)
>>
>> About 5% of the addresses on that list didn't exist.
>>
>> You can name your culprit.  The local Republican machine?  The local
>> Democrats who wanted to screw with Republican politics?
>>
>> I don't know and, as a Libertarian, I don't care.
>>
>> But I do care that a substantial number of people who were not supposed to
>> vote, could.  Those people weren't dead.  They were either manufactured by
>> someone or there was gross incompetence in data entry.  I did find a
>> handful
>> of those kinds of errors where people where supposed to live on X Street
>> but, instead, lived on X Court.
>>
>> Nonetheless, the lack of checking of a voter's legitimacy is wrong.  We
>> may
>> not have a problem now but do we really want what I found to have happened
>> in Colorado Springs to happen everywhere?
>>
>> Ralph Shnelvar
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:40:34 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> >Sorry if this is duplicate information; it's hard to tell who this was
>> sent
>> >to.
>> >Margit
>> >
>> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >From: Cary Lacklen <cclacklen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Date: May 22, 2007 4:11 PM
>> >Subject: GOP vote fraud front group dies
>> >To: cclacklen@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> >
>> >>Cary  thought you would like this site at truthout.org  regarding the
>> >>demise of the GOP front group: American Center for Voting Rights.
>> >>
>> >>http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/052207E.shtml
>> >>
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