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RE: [stopvotefraud] Re:June 2-4 "Take Back America Conference" in DC
- To: "'David L. Dill'" <elections@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [stopvotefraud] Re:June 2-4 "Take Back America Conference" in DC
- From: "Pete Klammer" <pklammer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:56:03 -0600
- Cc: "'Andrew G. Silver'" <andrewgsilver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Citizens for Verifiable Voting'" <cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Bob Mcgrath'" <bob.mcgrath@xxxxxxxxxx>, "'Carol Mehesy'" <cmehesy@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Donna Plutschuck'" <donna@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Monty Lambie'" <mlambie@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Pete Klammer'" <PKlammer@xxxxxxx>, "'Peter Raich'" <peter.raich@xxxxxxxx>, "'Tracy Abell'" <TresCeeA@xxxxxxx>, <mercuri@xxxxxxx>, "R. Mercuri" <notable@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Dave -
Your apparent position reminds me of our Representative Alice Madden's: she
had a bill for Colorado legislature that called for a "paper record," and
she was more concerned with her "wins-vs-losses" legislative record than
whether the bill was ultimately good. "I can't get your 'paper ballot'
language to pass, so this will just have to be good enough for now -- better
something than nothing!" [Paraphrase, not direct quote.]
Well, after our testimony, one of the smarter representatives saw the light,
and moved an amendment -- against the wishes of the sponsor -- with the
strengthened "ballot" language. Not to be outdone, at the next committee
meeting, she arranged for one of her allies to amend it back out -- back to
"paper record" language. And then the committee killed it, anyway.
My point is, I fear the sentiment of "better to pass something, anything at
all, than nothing." If Holt's bill is ultimately, technically, in its
current form and language, despite intent of some of the drafters, still
just a band-aid, then it shouldn't pass.
We're not "sabotaging" your work to date, we're building upon it.
We don't want things to stay "really bad," but we don't think a "lesser bad"
is good enough. And we're not holding out for "perfect," but just "good
enough." And secondary, discretionary, non-official, non-ballot (hence
non-protected) "records" or "receipts" are not good enough.
As a question of strategy and timing, I would agree with you if I thought
the problem of paperless voting was climaxing in 2004, and will never get
fixed at all if we don't get some kind of fix now. That's debatable; I'm
not convinced it's "now or never." I think the people who understand and
oppose paperless DREs will stay that way, and that more and more people will
join that opinion as knowledge spreads. The critical mass we have today for
a partial solution represents the spread of partial understanding. Fuller
understanding will spread, and will generate the demand for the fuller
solution.
Best hopes,
--
Pete Klammer, P.E. / ACM(1970), IEEE, ICCP(CCP), NSPE(PE), NACSE(NSNE)
3200 Routt Street / Wheat Ridge, Colorado 80033-5452
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-----Original Message-----
From: election@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:election@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of David L. Dill
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:41 AM
To: AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'David L. Dill'; 'Andrew G. Silver'; lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Citizens for Verifiable Voting'; 'Bob
Mcgrath'; 'Carol Mehesy'; 'Donna Plutschuck'; 'Monty Lambie'; 'Pete
Klammer'; 'Peter Raich'; 'Tracy Abell'
Subject: Re: [stopvotefraud] Re:June 2-4 "Take Back America Conference" in
DC
Great, there is a proposal that MIGHT be adopted in Boulder. And a
fine proposal it is. Best of luck.
Meanwhile, you are working to sabotage a year and a half of others
hard work. You don't have a federal bill with these provisions.
You're saying that people should support nothing at the Federal level
so that things will stay really bad, so that we can all feel awful and
will be more motivated to get a perfect bill in the future. This is
just a recipe for no bill, ever.
4 of the 5 bills in the House and Senate are good bills that will
greatly improve the integrity of our elections, maybe even in Colorado,
but certainly in other states.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I hope other people will disregard
it. Or, at least, not join you in trying to undermine our work.
Dave
> David,
>
> As you well know, CAMBER has presented an option. It has been adopted in
> Boulder Colorado, and we are working hard to get it adopted in other
> counties. It is straightforward, and we know that it works.
>
> =================================================
>
> CAMBER Option for voting in the 2004 elections
>
> 1. Do not use electronic ballots.
> 2. Since absentee voters use full-ballot-text paper ballots, print
> additional copies of each paper ballot style.
> 3. Election Day, early, and provisional voters are issued a paper ballot
> (from step 2 above).
> 4. Voters must mark their votes on the paper ballot (see note 2 below).
> 5. Voters can verify that their marks are correct.
> 6. Voters may exchange a spoiled ballot for a replacement ballot.
> 7. Voters must cast their anonymous ballot into a locked ballot box.
>
> Notes:
>
> a. The voter verified paper ballot is the only ballot and it is the ballot
> of count, recount, audit and record.
>
> b. Vote marking equipment that does not create electronic ballots may be
> used to mark the ballots in step 4 above. This equipment can provide
> private voting for disabled voters, and increases vote interpretation
> quality.
>
> c. Every paper ballot must contain the full-ballot-text, so that voters
can
> make their selections and verify their votes in context.
>
> d. The Colorado Secretary of State has placed a moratorium on the purchase
> of paperless DRE voting equipment.
>
> ====================================================
>
>
> Al Kolwicz
> Executive Director
>
> CAMBER
> Citizens for Accurate Mail Ballot Election Results
> 2867 Tincup Circle
> Boulder, CO 80305
> 303-494-1540
> AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx
> www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz
> http://coloradovoter.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: election@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:election@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of David L. Dill
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:40 PM
> To: AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx
> Cc: 'Andrew G. Silver'; lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Citizens for Verifiable Voting; Bob
Mcgrath;
> Carol Mehesy; Donna Plutschuck; Monty Lambie; Pete Klammer; Peter Raich;
> Tracy Abell; election@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [stopvotefraud] Re:June 2-4 "Take Back America Conference" in
> DC
>
>
> Please do not follow Al Kolwicz' terrible advice. It is true that no
> bill is perfect, and that it can be difficult to decide when to
> compromise. Before Al rejects the options that are on the table, he
> should give us some better options, and provide some evidence that he
> has a strategy that will succeed. A choice between partial success
> and failure is an easy choice, at least for me.
>
> There are many different problems with elections. If we can solve
> some of them, we can then focus on those that remain. One of those
> problems is that paperless electronic voting lacks the original
> records that could be used to double-check the equipment or resolve
> disputes. All of the Federal bills in the house and senate solve
> these problems.
>
> In addition, several of them mandate random surprise recounts in
> between .5% and 2% of the precincts. Most bills make clear that if
> there is a discrepancy between a paper ballot and the electronic
> records, the paper ballots take precedence.
>
> Furthermore, once paper is required, the attraction of costly DREs
> will fade. Many jurisdictions are now choosing optical scan machines
> rather than DREs. This trend will probably continue.
>
> Senator Ensign's recently introduced bill, S. 2437, has the following
> language:
>
> `(iv) The individual permanent paper records produced under clause
> (i) shall be used as the official records for purposes of any recount
> or audit conducted with respect to any election for Federal office in
> which the voting system is used.'
>
> This would seem to preclude the use of electronic records in a recount.
>
> Progress in one area does not have to de-motivate people from solving
> problems in other areas. Indeed, it will have the opposite effect,
> because we will be able to focus attention on those other problems.
>
> 18 months ago, there was little momentum towards any solution to the
> electronic voting problem. Indeed, there was little recognition that
> a problem even existed. We brought the issue to the press and the
> public, and we can now see the momentum that has been created. We can
> do the same thing with other election issues.
>
> David Dill
> Founder of VerifiedVoting.org
>
>
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> >
> > Andrew,
> >
> >
> >
> > Please don't succumb to current legislative proposals because you
believe
> > they are, "the best we can get at this date."
> >
> >
> >
> > The instant these ineffective proposals would become law, it would
> > strengthen the enemies of voter verified paper ballots as the ballot of
> > count, recount, audit and record.
> >
> >
> >
> > It would likely take years before the public would be ready to
reconsider
> > the issue. The wrong candidates and issues would win elections.
> > Manipulation and errors would go undetected.
> >
> >
> >
> > To silence critics, it is human nature for officials to do something
> > (anything) even though it does not solve the problem. AS long as
nothing
> is
> > done, the issue stays open.
> >
> >
> >
> > Public understanding of the issue is much easier while there is no paper
> > record than it would be if there is a paper record that is not the
> official
> > record of votes.
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. Implementation of the proposed legislation will not result in
> > trustworthy elections.
> > 2. Implementation of the proposed legislation will result in reduced
> > voter confidence - the lurking question will be, "I wonder who would
have
> > won if we counted the votes that are recorded on paper?"
> > 3. Once implemented, it will be more difficult for us to convince the
> > public that, "To avoid fraud and manipulation, electronic voting systems
> > must use a voter verified paper ballot as the ballot of count, recount,
> > audit and record."
> >
> >
> >
> > Hang in there and demand what is right. The legislators don't want to
do
> > the wrong thing. Don't help the enemy win the battle.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Al Kolwicz
> >
> > Executive Director
> >
> >
> >
> > CAMBER
> >
> > Citizens for Accurate Mail Ballot Election Results
> >
> > 2867 Tincup Circle
> >
> > Boulder, CO 80305
> >
> > 303-494-1540
> >
> > AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> > www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz
> >
> > http://coloradovoter.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Andrew G. Silver [mailto:andrewgsilver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:21 AM
> > To: lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [stopvotefraud] Re:June 2-4 "Take Back America Conference" in
DC
> >
> >
> >
> > About three people have sent me Howard Dean's message, but I think
> > not to either email list. I had not realized before that Dean is
> > really pressing the v-vpat issue, and think it is important that we
> > all know. I have gone to the website given in the message, signed
> > the petition, and joined DFA.
> >
> > I recognize that the DFA position is not as adequate and unequivocal
> > as that of CAMBER and the Libertarian Party. But for the November
> > election, I advocate supporting HR 2239 and S1980, the best we can
> > get at this date, and then continue at the elections to demand audits
> > and recounts where we can. The one leaflet that I shall prepare will
> > be focused on supporting HR 2239 and S 1980, but also mention that
> > the paper ballot should be the vote of record.
> >
> > For those of us going to the conference, I am told that DFA is
> > getting together at 5 PM Friday. I hope that all of us in these
> > groups who are attending can meet then. I shall prepare a
> > supplemental name badge for myself with "verifiedvoting.org" and
> > "stopfvotefraud@yahoogroups" printed on it.
> >
> >
> >
> > >Howard Dean has sent this message to his mailing list.
> > >
> > >
> > >In order for your vote to affect the outcome of this election, it
> > >must be counted. As November nears we must act now to ensure that
> > >our voting systems produce accurate and verifiable results.
> > >
> > >Right now, some states are planning to use machines that will not
> > >allow voters to verify their choices. This means that any flaws in
> > >the machine or software will never be caught -- and no recount will
> > >be possible. And the head of the largest e-voting machine company --
> > >who is a major contributor to George Bush and has promised to
> > >deliver Ohio to him -- asks that we just trust him.
> > >
> > >Today we call on Congress and the states to require any electronic
> > >voting machine used in this election to produce a paper trail -- one
> > >that allows voters to verify their choices and officials to conduct
> > >recounts. Add your name to the call for accountability:
> > >
> >
>
><http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verify>http://www.democracyforamerica.c
> > om/verify
> > >
> > >We will deliver the petition to Congress and the secretaries of
> > >state of every state planning to use electronic voting machines.
> > >
> > >Please forward this message to everyone you know who wants to see
> > >that every vote is counted this year. You can also spread the word
> > >by using our grassroots action center, Organize for America, to
> > >invite your friends to sign the petition:
> > >
> >
>
><http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verifyinvite>http://www.democracyforame
> > rica.com/verifyinvite
> > >
> > >Casting a vote is the most fundamental action we take as citizens.
> > >But voting is not a symbolic act -- the last presidential election
> > >demonstrated that every vote matters. Our responsibility in the
> > >months before November is to ensure that this time, every vote will
> > >be counted.
> > >
> > >Thank you.
> > >
> > >Governor Howard Dean, M.D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <mailto:andrewgsilver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Andrew G. Silver
> > >To:
> >
>
><mailto:lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > rg
> > >; <mailto:stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 12:25 AM
> > >Subject: [VerifiedVoting.org lobbyists] June 2-4 "Take Back America
> > >Conference" in DC
> > >
> > >For information on the conference see
> > ><http://www.ourfuture.org>www.ourfuture.org.
> > >
> > >I shall be attending in the hope of having an opportunity to
> > >influence personally some of the many political activists attending
> > >-Howard Dean, Julian Bond, Moveon people, Jim Hightower, et al.
> > >Though the agenda is very long, they seem to have forgotten about
> > >verified voting and voter protection. If anyone else primarily is
> > >advocating for these issues is going, could you let me know, so that
> > >we could try to pool our resources and strategies?
> > >--
> > >Defending Freedom and Democracy,
> > >Andy Silver
> > >Hillsborough, NC
> > >phone/fax: (919) 245-0277 (h)
> > >(919) 380-9860, x2405 (o, 9:30 AM - 6:30 PM)
> > >--
> > >This is message #24.
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> > New";color:black'>Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
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> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Please
=
> > don’t
> > succumb to current legislative proposals because you believe they are, =
> > “the
> > best we can get at this date.” <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
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> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>The =
> > instant
> > these ineffective proposals would become law, it would strengthen the =
> > enemies
> > of <strong><b><font face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";
> > font-weight:normal'>voter verified paper ballots as the ballot of count,
> > recount, audit and record</span></font></b></strong>. =
> > <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>It =
> > would likely
> > take years before the public would be ready to reconsider the =
> > issue. The
> > wrong candidates and issues would win elections. Manipulation and
=
> > errors
> > would go undetected. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>To =
> > silence critics,
> > it is human nature for officials to do something (anything) even though
=
> > it does
> > not solve the problem. AS long as nothing is done, the issue stays
=
> > open.
> > <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Public
=
> > understanding
> > of the issue is much easier while there is no paper record than it would
=
> > be if there
> > is a paper record that is not the official record of =
> > votes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <ol style=3D'margin-top:0in' start=3D1 type=3D1>
> > <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 =
> > lfo2'><font size=3D2
> > color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> > "Courier New"'>Implementation of the proposed legislation will not
=
> > result
> > in trustworthy elections.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
> > <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 =
> > lfo2'><font size=3D2
> > color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> > "Courier New"'>Implementation of the proposed legislation will =
> > result in
> > reduced voter confidence – the lurking question will be, =
> > “I
> > wonder who would have won if we counted the votes that are recorded
=
> > on
> > paper?”<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
> > <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 =
> > lfo2'><font size=3D2
> > color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
> > "Courier New"'>Once implemented, it will be more difficult for us =
> > to
> > convince the public that, <b><span =
> > style=3D'font-weight:bold'>“</span></b><strong><b><font
> > face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-family:"Courier =
> > New";font-weight:
> > normal'>To avoid fraud and manipulation, electronic voting systems
=
> > must
> > use a voter verified paper ballot as the ballot of count, recount,
=
> > audit
> > and record</span></font></b></strong><b><span =
> >
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>.”</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
> > li>
> > </ol>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> >
New";color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p=
> > >
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Hang in
=
> > there
> > and demand what is right. The legislators don’t want to do =
> > the
> > wrong thing. Don’t help the enemy win the battle. =
> > <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D2 =
> > color=3Dblack
> > face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
> > color:black'>Al Kolwicz</span></font></st1:PersonName><font size=3D2
> > color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
> > color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New";color:black'>Executive
> > Director <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
> > New"><span
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:"Courier New"'>CAMBER<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:"Courier New"'>Citizens for Accurate Mail Ballot Election =
> > Results<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address =
> > w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D2
> > face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>2867
> > Tincup Circle</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><font size=3D2
> > face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on"><font
=
> > size=3D2
> > face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New"'>Boulder</span></font></st1:City><font
> > size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>,
> > <st1:State w:st=3D"on">CO</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode =
> > w:st=3D"on">80305</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><font
> > size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
> > New"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:"Courier New"'>303-494-1540<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:"Courier New"'><a href=3D"mailto:AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx";
> >
title=3D"mailto:AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx";>AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></=
> > span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:"Courier New"'><a =
> > href=3D"http://www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz";
> >
title=3D"http://www.users.qwest.net/~alkolwicz";>www.users.qwest.net/~alko=
> > lwicz</a>
> > <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:"Courier New"'><a href=3D"http://coloradovoter.blogspot.com";
> >
title=3D"http://coloradovoter.blogspot.com";>http://coloradovoter.blogspot=
> > .com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <div>
> >
> > <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font
=
> > size=3D3
> > face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>
> >
> > <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1>
> >
> > </span></font></div>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
> > size=3D2
> > face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
> > Andrew G. Silver
> > [mailto:andrewgsilver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] <br>
> > <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 31, =
> > 2004 10:21
> > AM<br>
> > <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
> > lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
> > <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [stopvotefraud]
=
> > Re:June
> > 2-4 "Take Back <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
> > w:st=3D"on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>
> > Conference" in DC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
> >
> > </div>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:
> > 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
> >
> > <p class=3DMsoNormal><tt><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:
> > 10.0pt'>About three people have sent me Howard Dean's message, but I =
> > think </span></font></tt><font
> > size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
> > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">not to either email list. I had not
=
> > realized
> > before that Dean is </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">really pressing the v-vpat issue, and =
> > think it is
> > important that we </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">all know. I have gone to the =
> > website given
> > in the message, signed </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">the petition, and joined =
> > DFA.</font></tt><br>
> > <br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">I recognize that the DFA position is not
=
> > as
> > adequate and unequivocal </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">as that of CAMBER and the Libertarian
> > Party. But for the November </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">election, I advocate supporting HR 2239 =
> > and S1980,
> > the best we can </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">get at this date, and then continue at =
> > the
> > elections to demand audits </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">and recounts where we can. The one
=
> > leaflet
> > that I shall prepare will </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">be focused on supporting HR 2239 =
> > and S 1980,
> > but also mention that </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">the paper ballot should be the vote of =
> > record.</font></tt><br>
> > <br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">For those of us going to the conference,
=
> > I am told
> > that DFA is </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">getting together at 5 PM Friday. I
=
> > hope that
> > all of us in these </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">groups who are attending can meet =
> > then. I
> > shall prepare a </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">supplemental name badge for myself with
> > "verifiedvoting.org" and </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier =
> > New">"stopfvotefraud@yahoogroups"
> > printed on it.</font></tt><br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Howard Dean has sent this message to
=
> > his
> > mailing list.</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>In order for your vote to affect the
=
> > outcome
> > of this election, it </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>must be counted. As November nears we
=
> > must act
> > now to ensure that </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>our voting systems produce accurate =
> > and
> > verifiable results.</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Right now, some states are planning =
> > to use
> > machines that will not </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>allow voters to verify their choices.
=
> > This
> > means that any flaws in </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>the machine or software will never be
=
> > caught
> > -- and no recount will </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>be possible. And the head of the =
> > largest
> > e-voting machine company -- </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>who is a major contributor to George
=
> > Bush and
> > has promised to </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>deliver <st1:State =
> > w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Ohio</st1:place></st1:State>
> > to him -- asks that we just trust him.</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Today we call on Congress and the =
> > states to
> > require any electronic </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>voting machine used in this election
=
> > to
> > produce a paper trail -- one </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>that allows voters to verify their =
> > choices and
> > officials to conduct </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>recounts. Add your name to the call =
> > for
> > accountability:</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">><<a
> >
href=3D"http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verify";>http://www.democracyfo=
> > ramerica.com/verify</a>><a
> >
href=3D"http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verify";>http://www.democracyfo=
> > ramerica.com/verify</a></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>We will deliver the petition to =
> > Congress and
> > the secretaries of </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>state of every state planning to use
> > electronic voting machines.</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Please forward this message to =
> > everyone you
> > know who wants to see </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>that every vote is counted this year.
=
> > You can
> > also spread the word </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>by using our grassroots action =
> > center,
> > Organize for <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
> > w:st=3D"on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
> > to </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>invite your friends to sign the =
> > petition:</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">><<a
> >
href=3D"http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verifyinvite";>http://www.democ=
> > racyforamerica.com/verifyinvite</a>><a
> >
href=3D"http://www.democracyforamerica.com/verifyinvite";>http://www.democ=
> > racyforamerica.com/verifyinvite</a></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Casting a vote is the most =
> > fundamental action
> > we take as citizens. </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>But voting is not a symbolic act -- =
> > the last
> > presidential election </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>demonstrated that every vote matters.
=
> > Our
> > responsibility in the </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>months before November is to ensure =
> > that this
> > time, every vote will </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>be counted.</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Thank you.</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Governor Howard Dean, =
> > M.D.</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>----- Original Message =
> > -----</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>From:
> > <mailto:andrewgsilver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Andrew G. =
> > Silver</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>To: </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier =
> >
New">><mailto:lobbyists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>lobbyists@lists=
> > .verifiedvoting.org
> > </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>;
> >
<mailto:stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>stopvotefraud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
> > </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 12:25 =
> > AM</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Subject: [VerifiedVoting.org =
> > lobbyists] June
> > 2-4 "Take Back America </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Conference" in =
> > DC</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>For information on the conference see
=
> > </font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">><<a =
> >
href=3D"http://www.ourfuture.org";>http://www.ourfuture.org</a>>www.our=
> > future.org.</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">></font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>I shall be attending in the hope of =
> > having an
> > opportunity to</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>influence personally some of the many
=
> > political
> > activists attending</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>-Howard Dean, Julian Bond, Moveon =
> > people, Jim
> > Hightower, et al.</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Though the agenda is very long, they
=
> > seem to
> > have forgotten about</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>verified voting and voter =
> > protection. If
> > anyone else primarily is</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>advocating for these issues is going,
=
> > could
> > you let me know, so that</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>we could try to pool our resources =
> > and
> > strategies?</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>--</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Defending Freedom and =
> > Democracy,</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">>Andy Silver</font></tt><br>
> > <tt><font face=3D"Courier New">><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City =
> > w:st=3D"on">Hillsborough</st1:City>,
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