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Re: poll worker training tomorrow (Saturday)
1) The sign-in slip in Boulder County is NOT to be signed. Voter Prints
Name. Voter does not sign the 'sign-in' slip. This slip might better
be called a 'check-in slip' or a 'tracking slip'. In addition to the
voter name, it contains various notations by the judges as to how the
voter was processed. (Ballot style from the poll book, Reason for
rejection the voter identification offered, other bureaucratic mickey
mouse, etc.) The real purpose of the slip is to cut down on miscommunication
among the judges. e.g. It is ballot judge that actually gives the voter
his ballot, but it the poll book judge that first knows which style the
voter is to receive. Poll book judge WRITES style on the slip and passes
the slip to the ballot judge.
2) There was not a ballot stub on the mail-in ballot that I voted a few
days ago. I do not expect to see a stub on election day when I'm a judge.
3) There IS a tear off stub on the new envelope for provisional ballots.
This tear-off contains the same id number that is on the main part of the
envelope, and the telephone number for the voter to call to find out
whether or not the provisional ballot has been accepted for counting.
4) There is no way to systematically correlate provisional envelope number
with the barcode unique id on the ballot that is inside the envelope.
Judges don't examine the ballot, or give out ballots in any particular
order. I guess it is not impossible to game the system, but IMHO the
judges will be far to busy with legitimate work to have time to do it.
I have no idea what the current status of the law is, nor the status
of any special interpretations of the law by State officials. This is
just what I know from observation of current practice and training.
Paul C.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:48:09AM -0600, Paul Tiger wrote:
> To all
>
> I pulled this from the current CRS 1-7-304. While it differs a bit from
> Al's version, the meat about verbal pronouncement remains the same.
>
> The oddity here is that it talks about ballot stubs. I don't think that
> Boulder County has ballot stubs any longer. I believe that this was done
> away with when we went to the Hart/InterCivic Ballot Now system. I could
> be mistaken about this, but the last time I voted at my precinct (2006)
> there were no stubs.
> This direction (below) is very complete. Section 7 concerns itself
> particularly with Paper Ballots.
> -----
> (2) Each eligible elector who has completed the ballot and is ready to
> vote shall then leave the voting booth and approach the election judges
> having charge of the ballot box. The elector shall give his or her name
> to one of the election judges, who shall clearly and audibly announce
> the name in a loud and distinct tone of voice. The elector's ballot
> shall be handed to the election judge in charge of the ballot box, who
> shall announce the name of the eligible elector and the number upon the
> duplicate stub of the ballot, which number shall correspond with the
> stub number previously placed on the registration list. If the stub
> number of the ballot corresponds and is identified by the initials that
> the issuing election judge placed thereupon, the election judge shall
> then remove the duplicate stub from the ballot. The ballot shall then be
> returned by the election judge to the elector, who shall, in full view
> of the election judges, deposit it in the ballot box, with the official
> endorsement on the ballot uppermost.
> -----
> The last time I checked, the Ballot Now system was in use in three
> counties, Boulder being one of them. I cannot find information about how
> ballots are being prepared/printed in any of the counties using Ballot
> Now. My interest is stubs.
> In the training that BC polling judges received, was there a mention of
> stubs and their detachment?
>
> Paul Tiger
>
> C T L wrote:
> >All,
> >FYI,
> >1. In the Election Judge training session I attended October 8,
> >nothing was said about
> > the Ballot Box Judge calling out the voter's name when the voter
> >came to put the
> > ballot into the Ballot Box. I recall that in past elections I did
> >hear the Ballot Box Judge
> > do this. After reading this email, I double checked the General
> >Election manual, and
> > this time round there was not any specific requirement for the
> >judge to do anything
> > except ask the voter's name. I will ask the Boulder County Clerk's
> >training personnel
> > about this to get it clarified and pass on the information as soon
> >as I get it.
> >
> >2. In the Election Judge training that I have received (for the
> >General Election
> > as Supply Judge and for the Primary and Early Voting as Election
> > Judge), the judges in Boulder County are required to follow the
> >county election
> > manual and call the Hotline with any questions at all. The judges
> >are not trained in the
> > specific laws. So, I guess if any county's election officials do
> >not interpret the state
> > election laws correctly, their misconceptions could be passed on
> >to the judges.
> >
> >3. In Boulder County the voters get a two part (white top page, yellow
> >carbon bottom page)
> > sign in slip as soon as they come to the polling
> > place Sign in table. This slip includes voter name and signature,
> >both of which the
> > voter fills in. The Poll Book judge verifies the voter's
> >registration and fills in the ballot
> > style and precinct number. The top page of the sign in slip is
> >white and is not given to
> > any media or poll watcher. The bottom page is yellow and the poll
> >watchers are allowed
> > to handle this to read voter names. The poll watcher cannot keep
> >the yellow page however.
> >
> >4. I'd suggest that poll 'watchers' are the folks who come in to
> >observe the voting process.
> > Poll 'watchers' are not poll 'workers', and are not allowed to go
> >behind the election
> > judges' tables or do anything at all in the voting process.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Catherine Lo
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Al Kolwicz <mailto:alkolwicz@xxxxxxxxx>
> > *To:* 'Neal McBurnett' <mailto:neal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; 'Mary
> > Eberle' <mailto:m.eberle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > *Cc:* 'Ivan Meek' <mailto:ivan.meek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; 'Margit
> > Johansson' <mailto:margitjo@xxxxxxxxx> ; 'Deb Adams'
> > <mailto:debsueadams@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; 'Harvie Branscomb'
> > <mailto:harvie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; 'Geof Cahoon'
> > <mailto:gcahoon@xxxxxxxxx> ; 'David Larson'
> > <mailto:dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; angielayton@xxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:angielayton@xxxxxxxx> ; 'joseph richey'
> > <mailto:richey80304@xxxxxxxxx> ; 'CFVI Attendees'
> > <mailto:attendees@xxxxxxx> ; 'Citizens for Verifiable Voting'
> > <mailto:cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; 'Richard Bowles'
> > <mailto:rjb3445@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; 'Dr. Charles E. Corry'
> > <mailto:ccorry@xxxxxxxx> ; 'Barbara Dungey'
> > <mailto:Wynn&Barbara@xxxxxxx> ; 'Tom Morris'
> > <mailto:Tmmco1@xxxxxxx> ; 'Cliff West'
> > <mailto:clifwest@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; 'Sunny Maynard'
> > <mailto:amaynard_1@xxxxxxxx> ; 'joel Leventhal'
> > <mailto:jsleventhal@xxxxxxxxx> ; 'Laurie Bretz'
> > <mailto:laurieannb@xxxxxxx> ; 'Catherine Lo' <mailto:ctlo@xxxxxxx>
> > ; 'Dan Leftwich' <mailto:jdlwcec@xxxxxxxxx> ; 'Sunny Maynard'
> > <mailto:dinophile@xxxxxxxxx>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:52 AM
> > *Subject:* RE: poll worker training tomorrow (Saturday)
> >
> >
> >
> > 1-7-304. Manner of voting.
> >
> > (2) Each eligible elector who has completed the ballot and is
> > ready to vote
> > shall then leave the voting booth and approach the election judges
> > having
> > charge of the ballot box. The elector shall give his or her name
> > to one of
> > the election judges, who shall clearly and audibly announce the
> > name in a
> > loud and distinct tone of voice.
> >
> >
> > Al Kolwicz
> > Colorado Voter Group
> > 2867 Tincup Circle
> > Boulder, CO 80305
> > 303-494-1540
> > AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:AlKolwicz@xxxxxxxxx>
> > www.ColoradoVoterGroup.org <http://www.ColoradoVoterGroup.org>
> > www.coloradovotergroup.blogspot.com
> > <http://www.coloradovotergroup.blogspot.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Neal McBurnett [mailto:neal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:38 PM
> > To: Mary Eberle
> > Cc: Ivan Meek; Margit Johansson; Deb Adams; Harvie Branscomb; Geof
> > Cahoon;
> > David Larson; angielayton@xxxxxxxx <mailto:angielayton@xxxxxxxx>;
> > joseph richey; CFVI Attendees; Citizens
> > for Verifiable Voting; Richard Bowles; Dr. Charles E. Corry;
> > AlKolwicz;
> > Barbara Dungey; Tom Morris; Cliff West; Sunny Maynard; joel Leventhal;
> > Laurie Bretz; Catherine Lo; Dan Leftwich; Sunny Maynard
> > Subject: Re: poll worker training tomorrow (Saturday)
> >
> > More surprising and worrysome to me from what Michael Scarpello said
> > today was that in Denver they do not have an election judge publicly
> > announce the name of the voter. In Boulder we always did that, and I
> > understood it was so that neighbors, pollwatcher, etc would be able to
> > tell if there was any question of identity. It always seemed
> > appropriate to me and a nice way to be proud of being there.
> > I don't know what the Colorado law or rules say about it. What is
> > Boulder doing this year?
> >
> > Neal McBurnett http://neal.mcburnett.org/
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:22:56PM -0600, Mary Eberle wrote:
> > > Dear CFVIers,
> > >
> > > A curious thing that I learned today while interviewing Denver
> > Elections
> > > Director Michael Scarpello is that the poll watchers in Denver
> > precincts
> > > will not be given voters' names. They will be given the voter's
> > voter
> > > number (hand transcribed onto a list by an election judge),
> > which they
> > > will have to take outside the polling place and call to someone
> > who can
> > > look up the number on a Web site, correlate the number with a
> > name, and
> > > thus create a list of people who have voted in that precinct.
> > >
> > > Boulder County gives the voter's name directly to the poll
> > watcher via a
> > > sign-in sheet (not the poll book itself).
> > >
> > > Mary
> > >
> > > Ivan Meek wrote:
> > > >Hi All,
> > > >
> > > >For those of you that are new to poll watching, I want to make sure
> > > >you all aware that poll watchers are basically representing their
> > > >political party and that their obligations are fundamentally set by
> > > >the party. In addition to looking for problems, poll watchers for
> > > >the Democratic Party are usually expected to record the names
> > of the
> > > >voters that have voted and transfer that information to the local
> > > >headquarters. They then cull the list to voters that have not
> > already
> > > >voted. The intent is to call and "get out the vote" for those
> > > >remaining as the election day comes to a close. I don't think it
> > > >works but the party feels it is important.
> > > >
> > > >You MUST be a registered member of the party you are
> > representing to
> > > > be a poll watcher. No Unaffiliateds. There is only one poll
> > > >watcher allowed in each polling place for each party. In the
> > past, I
> > > >have never seen a Republican poll watcher at any of my polling
> > places
> > > >but then I have not strayed outside of Boulder County.
> > > >
> > > >The Democrats have, in the past, had a number to call to resolve
> > > >issues and to, if necessary, a lawyer to call if the law is being
> > > >violated. I suspect you will find most of the problems to not be
> > > >willful but will be because the election judges don't know the law
> > > >but feel that because of their tenure that they are the law. It is
> > > >common for election judges to give poll watchers grief for various
> > > >reasons.
> > > >
> > > >The depth of involvement of the Obama campaign is
> > unpresentented. I
> > > > will not be surprised if they have ideas for poll watching too.
> > > >
> > > >Good luck to all of you who choose to do this task!
> > > >
> > > >-ivan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message ----- *From:* Margit Johansson
> > > ><mailto:margitjo@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* Deb Adams
> > > ><mailto:debsueadams@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; Harvie Branscomb
> > > ><mailto:harvie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Geof Cahoon
> > > ><mailto:gcahoon@xxxxxxxxx> ; David Larson
> > > ><mailto:dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; angielayton@xxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:angielayton@xxxxxxxx>
> > > ><mailto:angielayton@xxxxxxxx> ; Ivan Meek
> > > ><mailto:ivan.meek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; joseph richey
> > > ><mailto:richey80304@xxxxxxxxx> ; Mary Eberle
> > > ><mailto:m.eberle@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Cliff West
> > > ><mailto:clifwest@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; Tom Morris
> > <mailto:Tmmco1@xxxxxxx> ;
> > > >Dan Leftwich <mailto:dleftwich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; CFVI
> > Attendees
> > > ><mailto:attendees@xxxxxxx> ; Citizens for Verifiable Voting
> > > ><mailto:cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; amaynard_1@xxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:amaynard_1@xxxxxxxx>
> > > ><mailto:amaynard_1@xxxxxxxx> ; Richard Bowles
> > > ><mailto:rjb3445@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; Dr. Charles E. Corry
> > > ><mailto:ccorry@xxxxxxxx> ; AlKolwicz <mailto:alkolwicz@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > >*Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2008 2:25 PM *Subject:* poll worker
> > > >training tomorrow (Saturday)
> > > >
> > > >Hi All,
> > > >
> > > >Did you know that according to the SOS election Rules (as amended
> > > >7/11/08), you can be a poll watcher in any Colorado county, not
> > just
> > > >your own? See page 18, 8.1.2. <http://8.1.2./>
> > > >
> > > >Tomorrow (Saturday) there are *poll watcher trainings* for both
> > Dems
> > > >and Reps.
> > > >
> > > >*Dems*: at state headquarters in Denver at 777 Santa Fe Drive,
> > there
> > > >is poll watcher training from *1-3 PM Saturday, October 18th. *
> > The
> > > >address is: 777 Sante Fe Drive, Denver. It's okay if you haven't
> > > >decided where you will poll watch yet.
> > > >
> > > >*Reps:* There are poll watcher trainings at: 10AM at 5950 S.
> > willow
> > > >Drive, suite 306 in Greenwood Village AND 2PM tomorrow at 1350
> > > >Indepenence St, Lakewood, suite 201.(For future trainings, call
> > > >Jennifer at 303-486-2008.)
> > > >
> > > >Margit
> > > >
> > > >Margit Johansson 303-442-1668/ margitjo@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:margitjo@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > ><mailto:margitjo@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
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